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Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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We have a tendency to think that things that are otherwise pretty universal don't apply to us. This results in people have very individualistic philosophies. Mantras like "work hard" place responsibility on the individual.

Google is a money printing machine having net annual income of ~$60B? It's profit per employee is utterly insane. Yet despite that there was a "need" for layoffs.

You'll find no shortage of defenders for the layoffs. Talk of cutting "the fat". Tell me: who decides what most of these people work on? Is it the individual? Or leadership? How amny executive leaders have gone as a result of need for belt-tightening? And whatever you think of Sunday (personally: not a lot), what makes this one man worth $226M/year? Sending out the traditional "thoughts and prayers" and "full responsibility" email seems to have not hurt him in the slightest.

These layoffs are nothin gmore than an attack on labor costs. It makes the remaining employees work harder (fearing further layoffs) as job functions of those eliminated are added to them rather than backfilled, less likely to ask for or get raises and it will make hiring cheaper as there is more avilable labor.

Just like the Steve Jobs anti-poaching collusion, this is a coordinated effort. Despite efforts to appear otherwise, these tech companies aren't on your side. They're on the shareholders side. You are simply an unfortunate line item under "expenses". So at least people are learning the lesson that they are completely expendable and there is no loyalty so absolutely no loyalty should be given to the company. Loyalty has to be reciprocal.

It actually doesn't have to be this way [1]. Additionally, layoffs tend to be traumatic for both the people affected and those that remain. Cost savings are overstated once you factor in severance packages, possible litigation, psychic damage to remaining employees and the cultural loss of trust from the "distraction".

Any genuine need to reduce costs could be better handled by across the board pay cuts.

[1]: https://www.polygon.com/2013/7/5/4496512/why-nintendos-sator...

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Show me another profession that can have such a dramatic impact on the bottom line where your work makes the company 100x-1000x your salary. If anything SWE are underpaid, we should be getting a slice of total business unit revenue. With my last job doing SWE for a bank, I know for a fact that my code saved the company hundreds of thousands dollars just from one project, and I know for a fact that some of my other co…

You're discounting the people that identified the opportunity, scoped out and defined the project, and then briefed you about what was needed. Sales, Marketing, and GTM are absolutely generating 100x - 1000x their salary if they take sole ownership of a project like you are doing. SWEs are good are solving problems, but other people determine which problems to pay attention to, and how much investment to make in them…

I think you’re just making a case that those roles are also underpaid. All of these things can be true.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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While I agree that CEOs are overpayed, I think the same applies to software engineers. Software Engineering has been a pay/perk bubble for years that was due for a correction, and like when Elon cut the free gourmet lunches and coffees for Twitter staff, I'm sure the Google engineers will survive. Meanwhile Google's "raters", the army of workers who do the hard work of moderating and testing Google's platforms are ge…

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Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Such hyperbole. Apple is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know how anyone can say this with a straight face while apple exists.

Such hyperbole. Saudi Aramco is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know anyone can say this with a straight face while Aramco exists. (Since we’re bringing up companies nobody else mentioned)

Yes, Aramco is a competitor to apple.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Such hyperbole. Apple is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know how anyone can say this with a straight face while apple exists.

What did Tim actually accomplish though? He’s there to essentially “keep” what Apple already established under Steve Jobs. Nadella made some big decisions to completely remake Microsoft. By the way, return (not including dividends) is about the same between AAPL and MSFT since Nadella took over on February 2014 which is simply amazing if you think about the differences between the two companies.

You probably don't know or don't care, but there is more to running a company than producing a new hardware product line (which is important of course too).

Under Tim Cook, Apple's business functions (procurement, manufacturing, operations, financing, retail) had an incredible change in efficiency and cash generating capability. Also, you may notice that Apple Services are an incredibly large and profitable business in their own right, having grown from nothing about a decade ago.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Such hyperbole. Apple is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know how anyone can say this with a straight face while apple exists.

Sure it can be objectively good even if another is even better

Ya but the word used was best

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

#197
The $226M is over the next 3 years, so it's approximately $75M/yr. For comparison, this is a decrease from his last grant of $281M in 2019, or $94M/yr. It's a 20% cut in salary for the next three years in a row.

For comparison, Tim Cook made $99M in 2022, and was cut to $49M "target compensation" in 2023 (but he can actually make more, e.g. his 2022 wound up 18% higher than target), and the following 2 years remain to be decided.

So sure Googlers can be angry, but it seems like the message is getting lost that this is compensation for 3 years (not 1) and a meaningful decrease (not increase). It could well wind up being an even bigger decrease than Tim Cook's over the next 3 years, yet Tim is getting praise for taking a cut while people are angry at Sundar?

Seems like the real problem might be that Google makes 3-year CEO grants that people then totally misunderstand.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Do you truly think there is no one on earth who could do a better job than Pinchai for, let's say, $80M a year? $40M a year? $30M a year? $10M a year? Why is there downward pressure on wages for everyone except for this particular position?

His pay is huge, but not huge when spread across 12K people. You couldn't keep them employed on $250M/3yrs

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make.

Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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Such hyperbole. Apple is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know how anyone can say this with a straight face while apple exists.

Such hyperbole. Saudi Aramco is superior in every financial metric. I don’t know anyone can say this with a straight face while Aramco exists. (Since we’re bringing up companies nobody else mentioned)

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Re: Googlers angry about CEO’s $226M pay after cuts in perks and 12,000 layoffs

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It might just be me, but aren’t they all filthy rich, excessively profiting from their workers, handing them selves extreme wealth, while cutting their workers off from this wealth. This is exploitation. The owning class for the owning class. The rich benefit and the workers are left exploited. Larry, Sergey, Pichai, they are all participating and benefiting at the cost of the workers. Any in-fighting and rivalry is…

The rich benefit and the workers are left exploited. Good grief. The highest paid workers on the planet, work for google. You should spread this communist blather at the proper place, coffee shops where workers aren't paid a living wage. Not people able to retire wealthy, is they invest their salary coreectly. Talk about entitlement.

They are still paid a tiny fraction of the value they generate while a handful of people receive most of the value generated.

I don't think anyone here is advocating for cutting Pichai's pay to $500k or something, but nearly a quarter of a billion dollars? JFC

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