Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wonder if the first time he drank he chugged a fifth of vodka.
I know people who have done this, not having any information to know otherwise.
I wonder if this leads to less alcohol use in the future.
LSD: Not Even Once
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#192Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…
Sounds rough -- how'd you administer & what was the approximate dose?
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#193It is interesting that the person went into trying LSD fully expecting it to be a negative experience. Could this be a self-fulfilling prophecy? I know little about drugs, and have never tried LSD. I have watched paramedics on television trying hard to put a patient in a positive frame of mind before administering ketamin. Could this be similar?
Disclaimer: Oversimplifying psychedelics.
Many psychodelic drugs are not giving you "nice trips", which is also part of the reason _some_ have a very very low chance to make mentally addicted (and happen to also not trigger physical addiction).
But they do "shake up" you mind in a way which can have long term positive effects in various ways, which could be as simple as helping with self reflection or as live changing as curing depression (not from a LSD tip, but there are psychedelic based treatments for depression which not only had cases of healing some people where "classical" methods did not work at all, but yielded long term results in a way no anti-depressant I'm aware of can archive).
So in other words having a "not so nice trip" can be a "good live experience" for some.
But then pretty much anything which messes with your mind can have bad long term effects if rareish complications appear, and a (oversimplified) rule of thump is the more it messes with your brain the more server can the rarish unexpected side-effects be for your live (e.g. worsening or triggering latent schizophrenia, but might also help treating it if done appropriately).
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#194Both those trip reports are very unusual for psylocibin and LSD. It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. As a general advice one should be very careful when taking psychedelics with other prescribed medications or having a history of mental illness.
What is anybody supposed to do with this response? Is there a test you can take to rule out long-term negative side effects from psychedelics? If not, aren't you just rolling the dice one way or the other? Mightn't we not just act as if there's a particular mental health complication called "susceptibility to long-term negative side effects of LSD"?
I’m going to start my comment off with…if you have any reservations about taking a mind altering substance, don’t do it. Just be content in enjoying your existence substance free. :)
That said, IMHO, there are many things one can do:
1. if one suffers from mental health problems, they should probably avoid any mind altering drugs (OTC, prescription or illicit) without significant guidance from a medical / mental health professional
2. speak to a mental health professional, one that is open to leveraging these types of drugs for mental health purposes
3. Assuming you passed steps 1 & 2 or are confident you don’t need to bother with them…start small and with less intensive options (i.e. if you can’t handle something like marijuana in moderate to high doses, don’t bother [without following steps 1 or 2]). And as condescending as it sounds, if you’re ready for this step, experiment in the best possible environment (and in a good headspace to deal with what is coming) with an individual(s) you trust and do so with a low dose
If you enjoyed your experience after step 3, you could consider slightly increasing the dosage or type of mind altering substances while still adhering to the advice mentioned in the previous steps.
Maybe the problem is people not respecting the complexity of putting such a mind altering substance in their body. One isn’t required to do it and should only do so when they know what they’re getting in to and have a good understanding of the (for lack of a better word) consequences.
Also, maybe individuals who have a very positive experience should be more explicit about providing a disclaimer that what worked for them isn’t guaranteed to work for others.
Edit: and to more directly respond to your comment, IMHO, using something like LSD or any mind altering drug is a bit of rolling the dice.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Psychedelic trips with mushrooms and with LSD are very similar, often you wouldn’t be able to tell them apart. When there are visuals I find them to be more "organic" on mushrooms and more "sharp/electric" on LSD, but that’s very subjective/suggestible. But there are "social" trips where there are no visuals, usually when in a group and experiencing the substance together, there I wouldn’t be able to tell LSD and Psy…
> Psychedelic trips with mushrooms and with LSD are very similar, often you wouldn’t be able to tell them apart. Having done both about a dozen times, this is not my experience or the experience that others have shared. Even a large dose of mushrooms only has subtle visual effects, while LSD makes the world look like a van Gogh painting.
That's essentially what I was referring to in my upstream comment that made me think I'd taken lsd instead of mushrooms.
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#197> Halfway through my trip, about 4 hours in, visual snow started appearing on everything. > On top of that, the loudest tinnitus you could imagine. This sounds more like a DO(C/M/B/I) trip than LSD. > I had dabbled a bit before with psilocybin, and don’t think it changed my life in any real manner other than showing me what mental illness is. The author had a negative experience with psilocybin, expected that that wo…
It does sound more like 25I-NBOMe or DOI. 4 hours to visuals, the body load, the tinnitus, the HPPD, the “160ug.”
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#198Both those trip reports are very unusual for psylocibin and LSD. It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. As a general advice one should be very careful when taking psychedelics with other prescribed medications or having a history of mental illness.
What is anybody supposed to do with this response? Is there a test you can take to rule out long-term negative side effects from psychedelics? If not, aren't you just rolling the dice one way or the other? Mightn't we not just act as if there's a particular mental health complication called "susceptibility to long-term negative side effects of LSD"?
> Is there a test you can take to rule out long-term negative side effects from psychedelics?
PiHKAL and TiHKAL reports start with "allergy tests" of low doses around 1/10th of a typical dose.
Erowid and other resources (Psychonaut wiki, etc.) list a starting dose of LSD to be around 25mcg, while the author here took 160mcg as a virgin- over 5x the starting dose.
It's also not clear whether they tested the drugs, which likely means they did not. The report sounds more typical of a DO(x) or NBOMe substance than LSD, which also come on blotters and are sold as LSD relatively frequently.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit I think this is the direct result of just nonsensical criminalization that equated cannabis with drugs like heroin, while the toxicity of cannabis is much lower than alcohol, for example. Legalization leads to better education, which typically provides both sides…
> Legalization leads to better education It also leads to more cases of abuse. Like many things, legalization is both good and bad at the same time.
>> Legalization leads to better education
> It also leads to more cases of abuse.
Citation needed. Here are a few counter reports:
Pointers From Portugal on Addiction and the Drug War[1]: "Opioid overdose deaths fell after Portugal’s policy change. So did new cases of diseases associated with injection drug use, such as hepatitis C and H.I.V."
Portugal’s radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?[2]: "Since it decriminalised all drugs in 2001, Portugal has seen dramatic drops in overdoses, HIV infection and drug-related crime"
How Europe’s heroin capital solved its overdose crisis[3]: "[T]he number of addicts was halved and overdose deaths had dropped to just 30 a year for the entire country. The number has remained steady ever since."
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/upshot/portugal-drug-lega...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radic...
[3] https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/portugal-heroin-decrim...
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#200I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…
> That it’s absurd how much suffering the human mind is capable of experiencing. When I was 8 or 9 I had a night terror that involved some sort of life-sized game of Tetris that was moving terribly fast. My brain wholly adopted the belief that if I were to lose, everyone I loved would die horribly. I was trapped in this night terror for what felt like forever. Afterwards I refused to sleep voluntarily for weeks. To t…
it seems like the worst kind of terror is an impersonal, rapid, universal, automated death/loss of control. This opposed to some kind of a personal boogie man.