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End-of-Life Dreams

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Re: End-of-Life Dreams

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> And it disappoints me greatly that the medical community shuns this phenomenon The medical community is a joke as a whole. They even brush off side effects because they have never heard about them before. They are as unscientific as you can go. Nowhere in hard science world do people act like that.

I have respect for doctors and their skills, but I don’t associate the guys actually running around in a hospital with hard science. They are factory workers, like programmers that produce widgets on a tight deadline. They have a metric ton of shit to handle under enormous stress.

I agree with the idea that medical doctors are not scientists, not even engineers. Yet I think it's impossible to do medicine as if it was a science: Most person is different from the next because their life events, and biology and medicine are incredibly hard.

For example we do not have models of human physiology, even if it looks something that could be computerized (there are efforts: dr Guyton's heritage, BioGears, etc).

Another thing is that we only had recently tooling to interrogate what's going on in our body: MRI and ultrasound. Yet no medical doctors (GP/family doctor) use them. At best they use blood analysis which gives an indirect knowledge. But if the doctor does not ask for the right analysis, whole health developments stay unknown until it's too late.

And many family doctors work with feeling more than with medical standardized practices: It's common that old family doctors say that they know what brings a patient as soon as they enter into their office. This is because of these "gut feelings" that we still have half of cancer cases that are discovered when they are metastasized (too late to be treated by oncologists).

Re: End-of-Life Dreams

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I wonder, would it be possible that the human body has some sort of "shutdown mechanism" when it realizes that it simply doesn't have enough resources to carry on as usual? I imagine this mechanism would turn off the pain centers and the fight or flight responses needed for survival and instead make the experience of passing away more acceptable, relaxing, maybe even pleasant. Steve Jobs' last words were: "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow". I can't help but wonder what he was "wowing" about?

Re: End-of-Life Dreams

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Your opinion is based entirely on the assumption of materialism. We used to think the earth was the center of the universe, we learned it's not. We used to think the earth was the center of the solar system, we learned it's not. We now think that the brain is the center of consciousness. The trend is usually in breaking away from the idea that we're special, not in reaffirming what we already assume. In this case, th…

I remember a short quip, perhaps from Marguerite Duras, "all these people speak about materialism, yet they barely know what matter is". I linked below how the atom is mostly empty, here is a chart of the elementary particles with the three generations of matter and anti-matter [1], and here is a hydrogen wave function just because it's beautiful [2]. You tell me to what kind of "materialism" do I belong to. Perhaps…

materialism refers to the belief that matter comes first, and that consciousness and experience came after millions of years of matter developing into life and life evolving and so on.

I'm not denying this is a reasonable possibility, or that you're wrong or crazy to take that assumption. What I'm saying is that that's what it is, an assumption. Too many times materalists forget this.

The discussion of whether we "go" "somewhere" when we die is complicated, in part perhaps because you're assuming that anyone that questions whether there's total annihilation of experience after death, you assume those people believe some preconceived notion such as heaven, ghosts, etc. And probably operating on assumptions about what we mean by "we". For example, our bodies don't disappear when we die, the matter that composed them is still part of the world, it just spreads and loses the recognizable pattern of "John" or whatever. I see no logical reason why the same can't be true for the mental faculties. Why would information simply disappear into nothingness?

Wine has an effect on the mind because there is an obvious interaction between matter and experience. If you are driving a car and I throw dark paint at the windshield, that will affect the operation of the car even if I don't affect you directly. The fact that your driving is affected does not mean that you are the car.

As for the brain as the center of consciousness, that would be akin to believing earth to be the center of gravity, without understanding that gravity can act in less obvious, more subtle ways across the universe. But we have no way of measuring consciousness objectively, and we possibly will never have, and this is why I think it's important to highlight how many of the things people take for granted about what we are and our place in the universe, are assumptions and beliefs, not facts.

Re: End-of-Life Dreams

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We're beyond what he imagined in technology and material possibilities, but not even close to other more human values. The fact that we are both using this amazing technology of "light speed" information exchange to engage in these discussions fully knowing that most likely nothing will change on the other end, should tell you something about how far we've really come.

First of all, I am believer that language was not invented for communication, dogs and bees communicate very well with each other and don't speak one word, but that language was invented to speak with and to one's own self. No source for this, just a belief: I first of all speak to clarify thoughts for myself, hence expecting for communication to "update the software" of the other person just seems misguided. Secondl…

The first paragraph, although an interesting theory, is odd and almost self contradictory. If you don't expect anything to come out of interaction, why not just type your responses into an offline journal for yourself and keep it at that? I do this often for my future self and highly recommend it. But if I interact with others I try to be honest with my intentions.

I can't say I disagree with the rest of your comment but i barely see the relevance to the topic of Nietzsche and how you seemed misguided in confusing his vision of the future with our current technological advances.

Re: End-of-Life Dreams

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Your mother was clearly important to you. Maybe you should go see a doctor re the shakes. I'm a recovering programmer who's now a professional musician in his late 30's, but just sayin'

recovering programmer ?

I guess I was trying to add context to where I'm coming from. I obviously haven't lived that person's life, I'm just someone responding on hn. Hence the musician bit, too. Emotions are extra hard via this medium so I was shooting from the hip.
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