Ahem...
Platform owner are registered as devs, who you can tip like any other devs. Hence their "cut" is not taken automatically from every transaction
Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
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Re: Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
#192Love this! Hope it will take off. "Webpack receives close to $200k in funding per year via OpenCollective but its direct dependencies receive minuscule amounts of funding, and there are 80+ of them." ♥
First emoji I have seen on HN. I thought it was not possible to use.
That's probably because it's an ASCII symbol[0] ♥
Emojis are Unicode, not ASCII (I think, not an expert myself).
We should also be able to use arrows ⇒, the trademark symbol ™, whatever this is ∴, or maybe this ℜ.
But we can test it, maybe HN supports Unicode Emojis but nobody is using them...
EDIT: I was listing some Unicode Emojis here, but you were correct, they were removed after posting. At least the ASCII symbols show up :)
Re: Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> To build things freely and openly to make the best possible software that we (humans) can make. This only works in a system where humans do not need money to live. This is not our system. In a capitalist system, for better or for worse, if you don't own a means of production you must work to get money because you need money to live. We should recognize the value of work, and if it is useful, pay for it. It is only…
It works exceedingly well in our current system. The problem comes from people believing they should be paid for willingly giving away the fruits of their labor. I only use FLOSS and don’t feel I’m missing out at all.
Have you not read the too many stories of open source developers struggling to make ends meet ? Of the gpg guy saying he might give up because it's just too much ? Of all the devs on the edge of burnout because of all the stress and the demands of people not here for participating but only for their own service ? Of the very article we're talking about ?
I would love to live in a system where everyone is actually free to do whatever they want with their time, all day long, all year long, but that's not where we live today. What kind of people has enough time and energy to devote hours of their lives to something that is not their primary way of earning money ?
I too use only FLOSS, and only put out project under copyleft licenses, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the structures in which we live in.
Re: Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
#194I'm using Jekyll for my rinkidink website. Jekyll is the workhorse tool of Github. Github is owned by Microsoft, who's not hurting for cash, or so I've heard.
What I'm saying is it depends.
Re: Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the idea of having a simple payments system for open source devs to use to get paid for their "free" software should be "free". Let the merit of the software dictate. That's the whole point of open source. To build things freely and openly to make the best possible software that we (humans) can make. We should also expect the same in the tools we rely on to do that work. It's not a hard ask. It's a philosophy of…
The "free" in FOSS is about being able to use the software as you see fit, without restrictions. Not that you don't have to pay a dime. Sure in practice the software is usually "free as in beer" but that's a side-effect, not a goal (or guarantee).
I'm aware what the "free" in FOSS is.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely appreciate & respect your perspective. We're passionate about making open source sustainable & understand that there can be multiple ways of achieving this goal. The more ways money is channeled to the community the better...
I think it would be easier to defend taking a cut if the cut was calculated in the same way as for the dependencies, e.g. next.dev being automatically added to the list.
Obviously I meant to write thanks.dev
Re: Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
#197So it looks like the idea is it goes through your GitHub dependencies, and splits your donation up among them. That’s a pretty neat idea. I wonder if it would be possible or even desirable to try and get some automatic measure of “how much” you depend on a given project, to weigh the split. Probably that would be really difficult to capture. Anyway the current idea is already pretty cool.
I've been working on this idea ( https://www.jvt.me/posts/2022/06/01/idea-supply-chain-moneti... ) recently as part of https://dmd.tanna.dev where you can get a meaningful idea of how much your projects use different dependencies, such that you'd be able to feed in a more meaningful weighting of "how much I use that dependency"
Regarding the post generally, using the problem of “how should I re-distribute my donations” to help solve the problem of “am I actually willing to be part of your software supply chain or am I just a hobbyist project, good luck using my code” seems like a nice way of hitting two birds with one stone.
Re: Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to mention hosting costs :) Sponsors have a slider that allows them to adjust their tip from 5% to 100% of their monthly donation. We figured minimum 5% would cover our compute & merchant fees but left it to the community to decide what we should get. We thought this was the most aligned approach with open source. Totally open to other ideas and suggestions though.
Under "Why don't the sum of my individual donations total to the amount I've donated?" you list stripe processing fees as #1... So no, if you're taking a minimum of 5%, then any reasonable person is going to assume that you've already deducted the processing fees, not covering them out of that 5%. I don't think you're being open and honest here.
I don't see any dishonesty here. They are in fact covering the fee out of the 5%. That means they are taking less than what "reasonable" persons think in your opinion.
The text may be imprecise, but it's a long way from dishonesty. In my opinion dishonesty requires a motive, and I don't see it here. If the 5% did not include fees, it would perhaps be different.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is absolutely nothing wrong with charging a fee for a service Agreed, but percentage-based fees can quickly become an unfairly large part of payments. I love the idea of this project, but I'd prefer there to be a 5% or X dollars minimum, so that if 5% is more than X dollars, then it doesn't force 5% minimum. If I'm donating $500 to 45 projects, then each project on an even split is getting $11, but thanks.dev…
My guess is that more than half of that $25 goes to the payment provider (Stripe etc.). Maybe more. The remaining ~$10 will go to thaks.dev to cover operational costs, administration and other expenses. I don't expect them to work for free. If you think it's unfair, contact the developers directly to see if you can wire them money (to avoid PayPal fees). If it's too much work, you can pay services like thanks.dev tha…
> half of that $25 goes to the payment provider (Stripe etc.)
Surely they are not making a transaction for every patron/maintainer combination, but rather batching the payments.
Otherwise yes this is a Stripe charity :)
Re: Sponsor the open source projects you depend on
#200I use like 50 different software heavily. Each of these has like tens of developers. I can donate to some and rotate each month, but how about the rest, and dependencies?
Good point, using thanks.dev you can adjust to scan multiple levels into the dependency tree. That ensures you can reach as many people as possible.