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The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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America is a much larger country with a much larger difference in outcome between different people. A person in South Carolina will have a different life from someone in say Santa Barbara, California.

> America is a much larger country with a much larger difference in outcome between different people.

Chart us against the entire OECD, then. The results are stark.

https://ourworldindata.org/us-life-expectancy-low

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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"1 in 25 Americans being born will not make it to their 40th birthday." Wow. Actually impressed with the analysis backing this up. If you read the entire thread, he actually covers nearly every correlating factor I could think of. And it's pretty clearly drugs, guns, suicide, and cars. (The cardio health one doesn't seem as strong). The one that is crazy to me is the uptick in driving fatalities. Cars are an order of…

It’s the phones. I have to drive my kids regularly 45 minutes to school on a highway with very high accident rates. It is people staring at their phones approaching dangerous parts of the road with lots of sudden stops and interchanges.

A sudden secondary effect - legal pot is leading to many more stoned drivers where I live (NJ).

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many drownings could have been prevented but it's still a relatively niche cause of death. Unintentional drowning is ten times less frequent than either of falling or motor vehicle crashes, which are about the same frequency. The main way that drownings could be prevented among adults is by enforcing alcohol rules, or having some in the first place, but that goes against the entire theme of American water recreation.…

> Many drownings could have been prevented but it's still a relatively niche cause of death. I read somewhere that drownings were the 2nd leading cause of death for children. Cars were #1. People drown mainly because they underestimate the risk of it. I know parents who had their toddler drown. The grief and devastation of that never stops, decade after decade. They had camped near a river bank, and the kid wandered…

In the youngest age group, drowning beats cars even. https://wisqars.cdc.gov/data/lcd/drill-down?causeLabel=Unint...

Basically the #1 causes of unintentional death in age order are drowning (<5), cars (5-20) then drugs (20+).

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Yes, there has been a huge increase in the number of accidental fentanyl poisonings. I think this is now the leading cause of accidental death among young people, surpassing even vehicle crashes. Mexican drug cartels have been manufacturing counterfeit prescription painkillers and replacing active ingredients with fentanyl. They have bad quality control and sometimes just put in too much. Fentanyl is so potent that t…

That's why punishing Big Pharma for making opioid pills has the perverse effect of causing more opioid deaths due to no quality control on the illegal versions.

I mean one could use the money from settlements to you know .... Help?

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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blackpool is the jersey shore of england?

The british version of the tv show is geordie shore set in Newcastle, but the culture in most northern british coastal towns is the same. Essex however, is probably the most accurate comparison considering it has the pretty much the same culture but its close proximity to London mirrors Jersey’s proximity to New York.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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Sure there will be lots of hypotheses for why this is the case. In my experience, though, you can almost ignore longevity and just look at these sociological differences that make the quality of life better for the English: 1. You could easily argue that frequenting a pub shortens your lifespan, but I just loved "pub culture" when I visited colleagues in England. It's a great antidote to loneliness. 2. You can argue…

It seems pretty likely that the US healthcare decisions at the federal level are to blame. This data suggests it isn't the access to healthcare that is to blame as much as the governance of the entire system is forcing bad outcomes. The effect here is too widespread to be "pub culture". I could see city planning being a contributor. But the effect is so extreme the place to start is deliberate policy. It would be har…

Why would healthcare policy affect the life expectancy of young adults but not comparably those in middle age or the elderly?

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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"1 in 25 Americans being born will not make it to their 40th birthday." Wow. Actually impressed with the analysis backing this up. If you read the entire thread, he actually covers nearly every correlating factor I could think of. And it's pretty clearly drugs, guns, suicide, and cars. (The cardio health one doesn't seem as strong). The one that is crazy to me is the uptick in driving fatalities. Cars are an order of…

Something happened during the initial stages of the pandemic. People lost their absolute minds and aggressive and reckless driving got way, way worst than I've ever seen. Hell, about an hour ago a cop tailgated me while I was going 15 over the limit, wove through traffic to cut me off, run a red light, then damn near ran another driver off the road. No lights, no emergency, just an asshole. This is the behavior you h…

I've noticed the post pandemic crazy driving anecdotally as well and it's alarming. Lots more tailgating, lane changing where they almost clip you and driving really fast while passing on the right.

I think defensive driving is becoming more important as well and I worry far more about driving at night, as people get more erratic, than I used to.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smaller cars are more dangerous in a multi-car accident. Most accidents only involve a single car. There is less control in larger vehicles. Everyone thinks they are a better driver than they are and the only way they'll end up in an accident is if someone else hits them. Add all this up and many want to drive larger cars.

> Smaller cars are more dangerous in a multi-car accident. Smaller cars bear more of the risk in a multi-car accident from the more dangerous larger cars. The smaller cars themselves are safer. It's like saying t-shirts are less safe than guns because they won't stop bullets.

It's a negative spiral. More people get bigger cars now because well there are more bigger cars on the road now. That and the convenience of an SUV is unbeatable for people with families - like baby seats or ease of getting in and out and so on. When I bought my car almost a decade ago, it felt reasonably sized. Now it looks puny on the road.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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The original article points out that the primary difference between the US and the UK (as well as other peer countries) is that you're much more likely to die young in the US. A 5-year-old in the United States has a 4% chance of dying before age 40, whereas a 5-year-old in Australia, Austria, Canada, England and Wales, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, or Switzerland has ~1% chance of dying before age 40 (val…

As you can see in his chart at [1] from the same thread, drugs, violence, and accidents only explain less than 1/3 of the difference, so the rest would be mainly various disease/lifestyle and care related issues (the overwhelmingly top causes of death in the US [2]). I think those graphs are a easy to misread, the long tail of somewhat poorer results is less dramatic than that younger gap, but actually includes much…

That's a fair point; I was simply trying to paraphrase the FT article in pointing out the importance of "social factors" (including diet/obesity/etc. leading to cardiovascular disease) in explaining US life expectancy and picked the three examples they used. I hadn't seen the chart you linked.

I still think drugs, guns, and accidents are worth specifically highlighting even if they aren't the single biggest driver of this disparity in life expectancy. I'd wager that most people are aware of America's obesity epidemic, but they might not realize the extent to which these three (big) factors make the US unlike it's peers. I certainly didn't.

Re: The average American has the same life expectancy as the worst part of England

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As fucked up as death is, I wonder if a lower life expectancy isn't the worst thing in the world. To some extent in the West, but especially in Asia, we're really starting to see the demographic issues that come with people living for too long. Aging populations, plummeting birthrates, redirection of public resources away from children and families... Maybe we shouldn't be trying as hard as we are to drag on life int…

I actually think there is something to this. The oldest people tend to be holding tons in wealth and assets, making things like houses unaffordable. People working longer before retirement means that job openings and promotions are repressed for younger people. All of these things mean younger people don’t hit the societal milestones at the times they’re meant to hit them which causes anxiety, depression, hopelessness. These things increase the likelihood of drug use, criminality and suicide.
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