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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Note that this isn't an unbiased source. This is working with Jon, the co-writer of The Coddling Of The American Mind, which uhhh is not without its critics for inaccuracies and stretching of truth. Check it out: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-coddling-of-the-am...

This is just an ad hominem.

Address the content/message, not the speaker.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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They made it up.

Meh. In fairness, there are a lot of people, making up a lot of things on this discussion thread. It's kind of disingenuous to only call this poster out. I mean, ideologues are gonna ideologue.

I'm genuinely curious - what kind of ideologue am I?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Seeing as how my daughter has gone through ten years of therapy due to depression I'll throw my hat in the ring and tell you what I think at least part of the problem is: Late stage, winner-takes-all & loser-gets-nothing, Capitalism. Those of us who are well-entrenched in our careers may not understand how vicious the world is for the entry-level and those aspiring to launch careers. The secondary schools preach and…

You're downvoted almost to flagged, but nobody has really responded to what you wrote. And what you wrote amounts to: kids these days see multiple trends that their quality of life will never equal the prosperity of their predecessors, and they're being lied to about it, and there aren't any real ways out of that reality. There is no rebuttal because downvoting does not rebut the truth.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#194

Note that this isn't an unbiased source. This is working with Jon, the co-writer of The Coddling Of The American Mind, which uhhh is not without its critics for inaccuracies and stretching of truth. Check it out: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-coddling-of-the-am...

It's fair to say that this falls under the current "culture war". Any criticism may or may not be politically motivated. Any support may or may not be politically motivated.

The results of this data gathering exercise is alarming regardless.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Linking a podcast isn't very good sourcing. I'm very intrigued to hear how the cuddling that's happening college campuses isn't happening, since anyone can see it in real time.

> I'm very intrigued to hear how the cuddling that's happening college campuses isn't happening, since anyone can see it in real time They were saying the same things when I was in college 30 years ago.

It can be argued that it's been getting steadily worse over that entire period of time.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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post #188

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Maybe we should look at ways to get back to 'just functioning'.

I may be old fashioned, but learning to "just function" instead of constantly crying and expecting the world to listen to me and be the way I want it to be is just called growing up.

My life would be so much easier if someone I know would just grow up.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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It might, since "teenager" is about a decade, and the opening paragraph cites... about a decade ago.

Your argument also applies to toddlers (1-10), Young students & workers (20-30), established workers (30-40)… pretty much any decade actually. So no. It might not. Not for the reason you say at least. Improvements in diagnosis, self awareness and hospitalisation rates would have to happen specifically to teenagers, and unless someone can cite a specific reason why this is the case I just don't believe it. The increas…

Not necessarily; teenagers are 1) still under parental health insurance and therefore can get medical care, 2) broadly have adults looking out for them in a way adults don't look out for other adults, 3) are capable of self-introspection and increased communication capacity as well as self-identification in a way children are not, 4) have the agency to advocate for their mental health needs in a way children cannot..

Broadly if we are going to respect mental health more, the one cohort that is broadly capable of receiving mental health assessment medically, has enough agency to introspect to their own mental health, and still generally have adults responsible for their wellbeing, aka teenagers, are most likely to reveal this.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#198

Note that this isn't an unbiased source. This is working with Jon, the co-writer of The Coddling Of The American Mind, which uhhh is not without its critics for inaccuracies and stretching of truth. Check it out: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-coddling-of-the-am...

Linking a podcast isn't very good sourcing. I'm very intrigued to hear how the cuddling that's happening college campuses isn't happening, since anyone can see it in real time.

Interesting reading this sentiment, after first reading the recent thread about Stanford's "war" on students. The prevailing attitude there seemed to be that Stanford was in fact antagonizing their students by banning drinking, when in fact they should be providing an environment that is insulates students from real-world consequences to allow for experimentation. Now I guess this opinion is that doing so would be coddling, and that is a problem in itself. Seems like a complex issue where people can have a reasonable difference of opinion. So maybe it's not that people are denying the coddling, but they just think it's not a problem.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#200

Note that this isn't an unbiased source. This is working with Jon, the co-writer of The Coddling Of The American Mind, which uhhh is not without its critics for inaccuracies and stretching of truth. Check it out: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-coddling-of-the-am...

He's also known for hinging a lot of what he says on the concept of rapid onset gender dysphoria (the idea that kids are spontaneously turning trans with no previous indicators due to a "social contagion"). The original study for it is a survey of posts from parents who don't want their kids to be trans. It shouldn't surprise anyone that those parents weren't in the best position to catch any hints when their kids might have caught on to the idea that their parents might not like them being trans.
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