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Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by aschearer »

While this is very exciting it's worth pointing out most of the page falls under "WHAT WE’RE EXPLORING." That is to say, these are from the marketing department and it's impossible to know whether they are strictly aspirational or just around the corner.

From the page:

> Looking forward, Firefly has the potential to do much, much more. Explore the possibilities below ... We plan to build ... We’re exploring the potential of ... the plan is to do this and more ... in the future, we hope to enable.

All that being said, shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg!

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by anigbrowl »

egypturnash wrote: post #149
mesh wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That is, these companies are largely not doing the hard part, which is creating and training these models in the first place. fyi, for Adobe Firefly, we are training or models. From the FAQ: "What was the training data for Firefly? Firefly was trained on Adobe Stock images, openly licensed content and public domain content, where copyright has expired." https://firefly.adobe.com/faq (I work for Adobe)

I am definitely glad to see attention being paid to ethical sourcing of training images but I am curious: did the people who made all those stock images get paid for their work being used for training? Did they check a box that explicitly said "Adobe can train an AI on my work"? Or is there a little clause lurking in the Adobe Stock agreement that says this can be done without even a single purchase happening?

I'm sure that's a no. When you license a stock image you license it for any use whatsoever. You don't get to complain if it becomes the background to a porn movie or an advert for a product or person you despise. Songs can licensed on a case-by-case basis but images are so plentiful as to be a commodity.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by DantesKite »

dopeboy wrote: post #11

What this reinforces is that unlike with previous big innovations (cloud, iphone, etc), incumbents will not sit on their laurels with the AI wave. They are aggressively integrating it into their products which (1) provides a relatively cheap step function upgrade and (2) keeps the barrier high for startups to use AI as their wedge. I attribute the speed at which incumbents are integrating AI into their products to a…

> It's in the zeigeist so you get a marketing boost for free.

I never thought about it that way, but now that you mention it, it makes so much sense.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by omoikane »

grondo4 wrote: post #75
madeofpalk wrote: post #66

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Should Github Copilot be trained on private, closed-source, proprietary code?

Yes, AI should be trained on every piece of information possible. Am I allowed to become a better programmer by looking at private, (illegally leaked) closed-source, proprietary code?

One motivation for artists to create and share new work is the expectation that most people won't just outright copy their work, based on the social norm that stealing is dishonorable. This social norm comes with some level of legal protection, but it largely depends on a common expectation of what is considered stealing or not.

Once we have adopted the attitude that we can just copy as we please without attribution, it would be much more difficult to find motivated artists, and we would have failed as a society.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by Vespasian »

linuxftw wrote: post #97
Vespasian wrote: post #55

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I hope we will see much bigger universes with intricate and detailed lore where human steers parts of storylines and visuals to make them interesting and fit together but AI fills in the blanks. Gamedev example: If NPCs lines can be generated quickly, maybe it's possible to develop open world games that change their character throughout the game. Way to often addons and expansions are carefully cordoned off from the…

Will any of these meaningfully enhance gameplay? Sure, there could be more features, but what is the marginal utility? I think people assume more immersive, more expansive is better for games, but I'm not sure this is the case.

Good point.

I was thinking of enhancing existing capabilities to develop open world games of smaller teams or to buff out a main storyline with "world chatter".

This would act as a multiplier for writers to better use the available budget/time. Sure it may not write a brilliant and engaging story (without human editing) but given the "lore" of a village and it's geographical/political position in the world I can definitely see it being useful to "set the tone" of otherwise generic background NPCs.

PS: Maybe this is me trying to find use cases for current LLMs (with their known capabilities and weaknesses) that don't involve dismissing them out of hand or "the singularity".

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by daveslash »

furyofantares wrote: post #189
daveslash wrote: post #96

When I look at older magazines, photos, billboards, and advertisements -- today's world of media is so much more colorful and vibrant than it was in the 60s & 70s. E.g. This [0] vs. this [1]. With the race to the bottom for generating high-quality, scalable, rich and colorful illustrations at almost no cost in massive quantities, I'm envisioning the world is about to get even more colorful and vibrant. [0] https://cd…

Alright so why's your first example look so much more colorful to me?

You're right. I think I chose the wrong terms with colorful/vibrant. Perhaps better words would have been busy/detailed/intricate/textured.

These older advertisements might have as much color, but they're pleasing in their simplicity. Even a solid color can be bright and beautiful, but it's not nearly as busy as a collection of overlapping gradients. I walk back my use of the word color in favor of the word busy. Thank you for pointing that out.

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by ftxbro »

open-paren wrote: post #81

Adobe employee, not in Creative Cloud. We got access to this in beta a week ago and it was an instant hit across the whole company. This is just the tip of the iceberg and there is a lot of really cool, in-house products around generative AI. The team is going to great lengths to make this ethical and fair (try and generate a photo of a copyrighted character like Hello Kitty or Darth Vader). I'm excited to see the fi…

> The team is going to great lengths to make this ethical and fair (try and generate a photo of a copyrighted character like Hello Kitty or Darth Vader).

imagine doing something as unethical as drawing hello kitty

Re: Adobe Firefly: AI Art Generator

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

egypturnash wrote: post #160
judge2020 wrote: post #53

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Still on the fence for whether or not you should be able to opt out of training (I'm sure many artists would love to "opt out" of humans looking at their art if the human intends to, or might, copy the artists' style at some point).

hi, I'm an artist, I do not give a shit about other humans looking at my work, I am delighted when a younger pro comes to me and thanks me for what they learnt from my work. That tells me they were fascinated enough with it to look at it and analyze it again and again. I made a connection with them via my drawing skills. I am catastrophically unhappy at the prospect of a corporation ingesting a copy of my work and st…

Is there a license that exists that you could put on your work to prevent its use in model training?
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