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Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by Ekaros »

brightlancer wrote: post #188
Ekaros wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is entirely reasonable to totally ban any media that has any person who haven't given explicit release on their likeness. It isn't too much to ask for valuing everyone's privacy.

In the US, there is no general expectation of privacy in a public place. Implementing your proposal is also unreasonable: before one took a photo of their spouse in the park, they would have to clear the background of all persons or get their explicit consent.

Maybe allow private use, but to publish anywhere for example in social media or other media absolutely.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by peterashford »

golergka wrote: post #76
stametseater wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there ever a pressing need for that cover to exist in the first place? I don't think our society would be culturally impoverished if they had simply taken a picture of something else.

There's no "pressing need" for any art at all, or many other wonderful things that make our lives better. It's a very shitty criteria to determine whether something should be banned or not.

That's much broader than the argument that I think is being made - or should be made. Which is that the need for an album cover art doesn't justify making public images of a nude child who clearly cannot consent to such.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by pseudalopex »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #142
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're misunderstanding the realistic state of child influencers. These children have no guarantee of access to any money they "earn", and also the chance of earning that much is quite low. Just like most influencers, most of them don't make anywhere near a fulltime income an adult could make even on minimum wage, but are left with lifelong distortions of how to be a person that have to be unlearned. I don't…

>but are left with lifelong distortions of how to be a person that have to be unlearned. "Lifelong distortion" is a strong claim that hasn't been demonstrated. I wonder how much of this consternation for kids being present online is a generational thing. People from the generation where privacy was the default are reacting badly to the movement towards no privacy being the default. Of course, those from the old gener…

The discussion was not about children being present online or choosing a social media career. It was about parents making those decisions for children. Including children who did not want it.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by kerpotgh »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #136

One of the most horrifying social media pages I've seen was an influencer who billed herself as a "trans activist" and documented every moment of her trans daughter's life. This poor kid was 8-years-old and attempted suicide on a regular basis. Every time she tried to kill herself, the mom would document the gritty details, post pictures and details about it online (and of course get massive likes/shares by well-inte…

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Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by ivraatiems »

kenjackson wrote: post #150
ivraatiems wrote: post #78

I have some good friends who've gone the other way: they've asked that there be as close to no photos or videos of their child on any social media as possible. They don't post about him online, and they keep pictures of him in photo albums. When he was born, they asked all of us to please refrain from taking photos of him without their permission. I completely support this and I intend to do something similar for my…

My sister has gone to this extreme, and I do feel like it is extreme. She doesn't allow her kids to do sports, for example, for fear of their name or image getting out. In contrast, as my kids play sports, most of their peers are trying to build their brand -- as NIL deals are almost directly correlated with your social media popularity. To me this feels like the cell phone discussions of the mid-90s (people who refu…

I don't think your sister is where my friends are. They're not demanding schools not take class photos, or whatever. They're just asking people not to record their child and post them online without getting permission first. Most schools at least have you sign a release that outlines what the video/photos would be used for.

> In contrast, as my kids play sports, most of their peers are trying to build their brand -- as NIL deals are almost directly correlated with your social media popularity.

If the kid wants to "build their brand" with parental permission, that's one thing. It's another thing entirely for random people unrelated to the kid to record them and put it online.

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Post by [deleted] »

kenjackson wrote: post #150
ivraatiems wrote: post #78

I have some good friends who've gone the other way: they've asked that there be as close to no photos or videos of their child on any social media as possible. They don't post about him online, and they keep pictures of him in photo albums. When he was born, they asked all of us to please refrain from taking photos of him without their permission. I completely support this and I intend to do something similar for my…

My sister has gone to this extreme, and I do feel like it is extreme. She doesn't allow her kids to do sports, for example, for fear of their name or image getting out. In contrast, as my kids play sports, most of their peers are trying to build their brand -- as NIL deals are almost directly correlated with your social media popularity. To me this feels like the cell phone discussions of the mid-90s (people who refu…

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Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by za3faran »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #136

One of the most horrifying social media pages I've seen was an influencer who billed herself as a "trans activist" and documented every moment of her trans daughter's life. This poor kid was 8-years-old and attempted suicide on a regular basis. Every time she tried to kill herself, the mom would document the gritty details, post pictures and details about it online (and of course get massive likes/shares by well-inte…

Absolutely gut wrenching. This is child abuse plain and simple. These people are confusing their children and raking in the $$$ and making themselves feel good for virtue signalling. What's society heading for? Wake up.

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Post by snapplebobapple »

Ekaros wrote: post #165
mablopoule wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, let's narrow even more the kind of content allowed in platforms with draconian laws. "I'm sorry mister, but we can see chidren playing in the park at 44:28 in the hour-long documentary you've produced, so we had to remove the video." /s

I think it is entirely reasonable to totally ban any media that has any person who haven't given explicit release on their likeness. It isn't too much to ask for valuing everyone's privacy.

That wouldn't have knock on effects like utterly destroying investigative journalism or anything.... There are tons of things that people would censor if the above were law that are not in the public interest to be censored.

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Post by ComposedPattern »

ouid wrote: post #162
paperwasp42 wrote: post #136

One of the most horrifying social media pages I've seen was an influencer who billed herself as a "trans activist" and documented every moment of her trans daughter's life. This poor kid was 8-years-old and attempted suicide on a regular basis. Every time she tried to kill herself, the mom would document the gritty details, post pictures and details about it online (and of course get massive likes/shares by well-inte…

Munchausen's by proxy is real, and the consequences of it are at least as damaging as denying children access to medical transition services. I believe that you have taken the position that this child is really experiencing gender dysphoria, but it's at least an equally plausible scenario that the parents are responsible for that too. This is a serious hole in the argument for providing gender affirming care to child…

Ignoring the fact that 8-year-olds do not receive medical treatment for gender dysphoria, is the existence of Munchausen's by proxy also "a serious hole in the argument" for providing children with medical care in general?

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Post by meghan_rain »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #136

One of the most horrifying social media pages I've seen was an influencer who billed herself as a "trans activist" and documented every moment of her trans daughter's life. This poor kid was 8-years-old and attempted suicide on a regular basis. Every time she tried to kill herself, the mom would document the gritty details, post pictures and details about it online (and of course get massive likes/shares by well-inte…

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