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It is sad that you are being downvoted. The comments are generally the tipical knee jerk rage reaction HN has after they decided to feel "betrayed" by a company, and yours is one of the few not following the groupthink. I dont have anything for or against Kagi, I dont use them and don't care for them. But I see no reason to downvote your comment.
> knee jerk rage reaction I’m not sure I’d call it a “rage reaction” to object to a 250% price increase. None of the top comments could by any stretch be described as “rage”. If you have to exaggerate to make a point you should always ask why.
Update to Kagi Search Pricing
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Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#192I cancelled by Kagi subscription because of this. I don't want to have to pause before I search and think "do I need to search for this? should I look through my bookmarks, notes, etc? is this worth one of the 7 searches my $5 plan will cover for the day?". I've been a frequent user of Kagi for the past ~9 months. Last month I made 1600 searches. I've even 'tipped the difference' (~$70) in the past to support Kagi. I…
Sorry I don’t understand this POV. We know Kagi is losing money on that pricing. ( They have stated it multiple times ). They offer options to donate for those willing to help and chip in. They now updated the pricing model. They gave you extra 300 on top of their current pricing. The extra 600 search will only cost you $9 more, slightly more than what you tipped them. So what is wrong ? And you are supporting their…
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How do you see they give extra? With the old pricing, it's unlimited searches for 10$ a month. With the new pricing, you're now limited to 1000 for this price.
They are giving extra when you factor in the donations. The old pricing was losing money. The top poster doesn't seem to think the price should even cover kagi's costs, which is absurd.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#194The pricing changes are unfortunate, yes, since they encourage me to think about querying, which ought to not be the case. The more worrying update here is that Kagi is not grandfathering in legacy plans beyond the next billing cycle, which is a departure from a promise: > If such change to Individual plans is to occur, we plan to grandfather-in all early adopters (meaning all current and future paid customers, up un…
> Q. Didn’t you say in September that current subscibers will be grandfathered in?
> A. Yes we did say that in September. We are sorry that we have to walk back on that promise and we should have done a better job at communicating the pricing change debate that has been going on for over three months with our community.
> A lot of things changed in the meantime that we could not anticipate and predict, namely increase in search costs and popularization of generative AI which further increases the cost and making us lose even more money per user than before. That is not sustainable for a bootstrapped startup and we had to make the next best decision.
> The decisions made (the price change and cancellation of grandfathering) is exactly the necessary step to keep us in the business of search, aligning incentives between us and users, and keeping the best interest of our users in mind.
> We did the best we can, and we will still going to grandfather in everyone for up to a year on the old plan, and then on a special plan after that indefinitely (which still loses us money, just less). Discussion about this was long and hard and we made the best possible decision given our abilities and the circumstances.
This is so incredibly disappointing and basically confirms that we're (at least in part) paying for their AI experiments - something that I personally am not at all interested in.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#195I was really hoping they'd work on their own indexing and decreasing their costs. For simple, good, reliable, no advertising search I'd happily pay $5-7.50 for. I recently had a thought about re-subscribing when I got this email last night, and this pricing model is not appetizing at all. Not a fan of metering or search limits, I tried using their free plan but having to spend even a .25 of second to think if I want to use up 1 of my valuable search credits ruins the whole experience for me. In the 6 months since I unsubscribed their pricing has gone up and they are tacking on AI which they are just leveraging openai for?
I'm disappointed to say the least.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#196The pricing changes are unfortunate, yes, since they encourage me to think about querying, which ought to not be the case. The more worrying update here is that Kagi is not grandfathering in legacy plans beyond the next billing cycle, which is a departure from a promise: > If such change to Individual plans is to occur, we plan to grandfather-in all early adopters (meaning all current and future paid customers, up un…
They have updated the FAQ section of the announcement to directly address this (very, very valid) point: > Q. Didn’t you say in September that current subscibers will be grandfathered in? > A. Yes we did say that in September. We are sorry that we have to walk back on that promise and we should have done a better job at communicating the pricing change debate that has been going on for over three months with our comm…
I really want Kagi to succeed, I've been following the results of the pricing change closely because it seems like it's not going well and I don't want them to go out of business. I hope it will convince them to drop the AI stuff, or at least confirm that there's strong evidence it will pay off somehow, not just the hype that makes everybody fawn over llm stuff.
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>Their raise feature is nice, but always finding stack overflow (because I raised it) on top of ACTUAL documentation for a specific topic kinda ruins it. So you changed the results, and now you are complaining because the results are changed? I don't get it.
I think it makes sense. They boosted stack overflow because they think it's often relevant, but not necessarily always the best resource. But now it's always #1 when oftentimes there is a clearly better resource. They just wanted it to be #2 instead of #10. Basically they are wishing the boost feature had room for more nuance.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
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When I saw this my initial reaction was to cancel, then I checked my usage with the early adopter professional plan it seems I'm mostly covered with 1000 searches a month inlcuded in the $10 subscription. Maybe some months I'll incur a small charge but nothing over $14 I don't imagine. I could also reduce the cost pretty easily if I'm honest. I could stop searching for a site and clicking the result rather than enter…
Yeah, their product is too good to cancel unfortunately. But the fact that they don't seem to care about search any more, instead focusing on AI and browser stuff, is disappointing.
Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing
#199My read of the announcment is that this will grandfather me into unlimited search for the year, while excluding me from any of the new AI enhancments.
I hope this clearly conveys my opinion on this change to whomever is bean counting :)
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#200So does Kagi put a date on _every_ search result ala Google? One of the reasons I finally drifted away from DDG was its very spotty displaying of the age of each result. Was constantly ending up in far outdated articles Ex searched DDG just now for “camp fire 2018” and only 1 of 10 results is dated. A lot happens in 5 years with lawsuits etc, I don’t want articles with updates from 2019! https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cam…