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Anyone knows how much truth there is to the above? I'm sure the answer is more nuanced than that and depend on various factors.
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Bought an M1 for my SO two years ago. You can tell she's playing sound through it from another room, even the TV built-in speakers sound better. I am not dissing Apple devices in particular, but rather all laptops. With speakers so small, there's only that much one can do. But then again, criticizing Apple hardware is a downvote bonanza every time, because Apple users need to feel like a particular demographic .
Perhaps you're being downvoted because saying "tiny laptop speakers worse than big, expensive, dedicated studio monitor speakers" doesn't add anything to the discussion? Any 14"+ Apple laptop since 2019 sounds much better than any other laptop that's ever been in the market. The 2019 15" and all 16" models even more so. They're so good that before covid we stopped using the Jabras at the office for confs and started…
This is such a low bar.
I have a 2019 16" MBP. The speakers are good for a laptop. That's it. I'm connecting the headphones or external speakers for any listening requirement. A $30 pair of Logitechs destroys the built-in speakers.
>No, they don't compare to my 7.1.4 surround system.
I'm having trouble reconciling the number of people in the thread who will do things like implement an entire Atmos home theatre setup (which is awesome, but in a lot of ways excessive), and yet are saying "MBP speakers are all you need!"
Interesting the author says “other manufacturers don’t bother”. Unsurprisingly the real reason is “Apple was granted a patent on this over a decade ago and no one is risking an Apple patent infringement lawsuit over laptop speakers”. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130329898 EDIT: I say granted because that’s how most people understand patents and when they take effect. What really matters on the timeline here…
That’s not a patent. That’s a published version of a patent application . The patent has actually been granted thought. It’s here: https://patents.google.com/patent/US9131302B2/
If you can find any differences in the claims or figures I'd be interested.
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I suppose the non-semantics point of everyone in this chain is: there is nothing about this patent from Apple that explains why using a dynamic temperature/power limit model for the speakers is uncommon in laptops. They are neither the first nor last to get a patent to do this, why then should it be the "real" reason most laptops don't?
See my other comments about patents in practice. They don't matter until you end up in front of a jury (or settle with a troll, which is a different case). A jury comprised of 12 random people off the street, specifically selected by counsel to be as ignorant as possible on the subject matter at hand (easier to influence). My original point - this isn't enough of a distinguishing feature to drive sales and revenue fo…
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I disagree. The new 16" Macbook Pro design introduced in 2021 has fantastic speakers. They sound extremely good, and I'm not sure I would hear the difference to my 3.5" studio monitors in a blind test (assuming you volume match them). I don't know how they are doing it, but listening to those speakers seems unreal. I opened the Macbook to look at them, the speakers look pretty big and they seem to have a long resonan…
> I disagree. The new 16" Macbook Pro design introduced in 2021 has fantastic speakers. They sound extremely good, and I'm not sure I would hear the difference to my 3.5" studio monitors in a blind test (assuming you volume match them). That's rather hyperbolic. I think superlatives such as "fantastic" and "extremely good" should be reserved for stuff that's truly exceptional. I have a 14 inch M1 MBP and yes, the spe…
I'm not sure if the 14" sounds the same, I've never heard it.
Anyway, these speakers are the first laptop speakers where I don't hear any obvious distortions. I haven't done any listening tests, but subjectively these speakers feel closer to monitors (at low volume) than to other laptop speakers.
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Perhaps you're being downvoted because saying "tiny laptop speakers worse than big, expensive, dedicated studio monitor speakers" doesn't add anything to the discussion? Any 14"+ Apple laptop since 2019 sounds much better than any other laptop that's ever been in the market. The 2019 15" and all 16" models even more so. They're so good that before covid we stopped using the Jabras at the office for confs and started…
> They're good enough for lightweight music playing and even watching some TV. This is such a low bar. I have a 2019 16" MBP. The speakers are good for a laptop . That's it. I'm connecting the headphones or external speakers for any listening requirement. A $30 pair of Logitechs destroys the built-in speakers. > No, they don't compare to my 7.1.4 surround system. I'm having trouble reconciling the number of people in…
- You can't interpret text; or
- You just don't like anyone who has anything good to say about Apple or their products; or
- You're just not very smart at all.
> This is such a low bar.
Low bar for what?
> The speakers are good for a laptop.
We're talking about laptops. That's the whole point!
> I'm having trouble reconciling the number of people in the thread who will do things like (...) and yet are saying "MBP speakers are all you need!"
Who's doing that?
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> Everything is much more fun when it's paid by someone else, that's why the old web was so nice. What are you talking about? The old web was filled with ads. They just weren't tracking you every nanosecond of your life. Google's AdWords was launched in 2000. DoubleClick that Google acquired in 2008 was launched in 1995 . Ad exchanges are from 1998. And so on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_online_advertisi…
> They just weren't tracking you every nanosecond of your life. Exactly. But only some of that was paid by ads.
Ah yes. They were paid by altruists who had the foresight to know that 30 years later they will be able to track everyone and collect their dues.
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Thanks for proving his point.
Except, you're proving mine. In a thread full of people gushing on Mac speakers, me saying it's an okay but overpriced machine is considered "hating for the sake of hating"
Were those your words? No, but it sure sounded like it was your implication. You didn't just say they were overpriced (which would be a common complaint, but these days needs a lot more citation, given their extremely good performance per watt, and overall build quality). You said they were ridiculously overpriced, which implies that no reasonable person could look at one and think it was worth buying.
You came into a subthread that pointed out that there are people who like to gratuitously hate on Macs, and you tried to paint it as being the opposite, while damning them with, at the very best, faint praise.
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How does that make them the VC/Angel?
They provide the capital required for that venture.
When all you know is a hammer...
> during the dubstep parts of the song, the snares sound nice and crisp. At those points, the tweeters are probably putting out 2-4x the amount of power they could handle without melting - briefly. But then when the nasty clipped lead comes in, that overloads them a lot more and the safety daemon clamps down on the tweeter volume. That's called compression.
I don’t know of any other compressors/limiters that are monitoring temperature sensors connected to each driver and modifying the parameters of the compressor and amplifier in real-time based on audio signal level and carefully calibrated driver amplification and temp vs time. All in a way that (to the casual listener) isn’t noticed other than “Wow this sounds really good for laptop speakers”. A picture is worth a th…