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KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by jraph »

tmtvl wrote: post #189
jraph wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> KDE Plasma 6 releases to wait out until the it becomes more stable. IIRC KDE committed to never break users again like they did with the first releases of KDE 4. It's expect the first releases of Plasma 6 that the distros will actually ship to be stable, and to be mostly a Qt5 → Qt 6 upgrade. You should be able to run a stable version of Plasma (5 or 6) in any case during this period. KDE 3 to 4 was a disaster; las…

Sorry, but as an early adopter of Plasma 5 (granted, maybe a bit too early), it was terribly broken for a couple of months. I took refuge in Awesome until things stabilized.

I indeed waited several months before adopting Plasma 5

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by progman32 »

eikenberry wrote: post #50
xen2xen1 wrote: post #4

$100,000 to build up a system that totally ignores the system package manager? Sounds great!

The system package manager is useful for updating the underlying system, not necessarily the user's environment. Think of it as a in the classic root/user divide. The system package manager is there for updating the core system and things like flatpaks/toolboxes are there for the users. They don't follow the same updating patterns so it makes sense to keep them separate.

What is the dividing line between user applications and system applications? Is bash a system application? OpenSSL? FUSE?

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by tmtvl »

wrycoder wrote: post #87
cld8483 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu is an African word which means "Afraid of Debian" Seriously though, just install Debian. It's not hard, the netinstaller may be text-mode but it walks you through the simple steps one by one just like Ubuntu's GUI installer. Anybody who's comfortable using Ubuntu in the first place should be able to get through the Debian installer just fine.

Even better, install Devuan, which is Debian without systemd (the attempt to turn Linux into Windows). Many former Debian developers are now working on Devuan.

How exactly does systemd turn Linux into Windows? Does it...

Prevent dynamic linking?

Offer strong backwards compatibility?

Add support for a very wide range of hardware?

Put advertisements in the start menu?

Cause unexpected reboots for updates?

Send telemetry to the OS manufacturer?

Force users to get an online account unless they know the secret way to bypass the prompt?

Or is there a differentiator between Windows and Linux I am overlooking?

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by johnny22 »

phatfish wrote: post #135
Darmody wrote: post #38

Meanwhile Ubuntu is making sure that none of its flavours has flatpak installed by default. Smells like that old MS attitude to me.

Ubuntu is Microsoft's "favorite" distro, they do seem rather made for each other. The Azure dev tools on Linux i have tried are all Snap only, or a tar file and maybe an rpm/deb. At the moment they seem to avoid Flatpak like the plague.

well to be fair flatpak isn't really meant for cli apps, and i would guess those are mostly cli apps.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by bogwog »

jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

I switched to Fedora Kinoite (KDE spin of Silverblue) to force me to go all in on Flatpaks, and now I love them.

They make so much sense and work so well. I feel like the people who dislike them either never actually used them, or they’re just the type of person who hates change and will never be happy with new things.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by [deleted] »

yamtaddle wrote: post #56
jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

Last I tried all three of the semi-popular formats like this, AppImage was the only one that didn't feel fundamentally wrong (though what I gather was the closest thing to an official repository for them looked sketchy as hell—somehow they copied the exact CSS vibe as a content-scraped StackOverflow spam site). But that was a couple years ago. I know Snaps still suck, but haven't messed with Flatpacks since then, so…

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by bogwog »

neurostimulant wrote: post #184
jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

I had issues with certain games crashing when run from Steam installed via Flatpak. It's not permission issues, but seems to be due to the Flatpak version bundled different system libraries. Have you encounter such issue on your end?

I haven’t, but I’m assuming those were (possibly old) Linux native games? Since proton shouldn’t have any dependency issues, especially since Steam installs that itself.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by rom-antics »

yamtaddle wrote: post #56
jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

Last I tried all three of the semi-popular formats like this, AppImage was the only one that didn't feel fundamentally wrong (though what I gather was the closest thing to an official repository for them looked sketchy as hell—somehow they copied the exact CSS vibe as a content-scraped StackOverflow spam site). But that was a couple years ago. I know Snaps still suck, but haven't messed with Flatpacks since then, so…

I wanted to like AppImage, but it just didn't seem integrated well enough. Flatpak gives you:

- Installation (no manually moving files from ~/Downloads)

- Launcher integration (no writing .desktop files by hand)

- Auto updating

As far as I saw, AppImage didn't have any of that. Though it was a while ago (and maybe some of this was my distro's fault). Has any of this improved lately?

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by yazzku »

jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

> Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian

Most of these are proprietary. I view these third-party stores mostly as a way to ship proprietary software. Not sure what else they add, and the downsides of having yet another package manager on top of your system's are obvious. I'm surprised KDE is behind this.

Some sort of packaging standard that works across distributions would be beneficial, but it'd have to be integrated with the system's package manager, not tacked on.

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