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Three-hour roundtrip in congested cities like Boston or Los Angeles is not made-up or even rare occurrence.
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I'm all for remote work in tech, but I also think it might be difficult to convince a court that "please come to work" is creating a hostile work environment.
I guess it depends on the circumstances. Like if they were told they could go full remote, and the employee moved out of state and settled down somewhere where there is no office, now to be told j/k get back in here, seems like a case could be made.
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#193I must be one of the very very few software engineers that would prefer to RTO. (I'm not at Amazon, btw). I do enjoy the flexibility of being able to occasionally work from home. But I miss the bustling office culture, going out to lunch with coworkers, forming friendships with people from the office who don't necessarily work in the same department/team. Most days, I go into town and work from a WeWork (because it's…
Do you mind me asking if you're under 30yrs old?
Do you mind me asking you if you are anti-social?
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#194Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#195I must be one of the very very few software engineers that would prefer to RTO. (I'm not at Amazon, btw). I do enjoy the flexibility of being able to occasionally work from home. But I miss the bustling office culture, going out to lunch with coworkers, forming friendships with people from the office who don't necessarily work in the same department/team. Most days, I go into town and work from a WeWork (because it's…
A lot of comments are indicating you're alone on this, but I'm finding the contrary. Our team doubled in size in the last 6 months or so with an office mandate (to almost 20 now). With aggressive hiring goals, we discussed whether we might have to transition to a remote company to satisfy market expectations, but found that as long as we're completely transparent in the initial conversation, there are people who are…
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#196this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?
Return to the status quo like the last three years didn’t happen.
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In Amazon's case, it might not be theater. Amazon owns around a dozen skyscrapers in downtown Seattle. Amazon has a massive number of employees in downtown Seattle, and whether those people are downtown or not makes a significant difference to the real estate values in downtown Seattle. Making their employees come into the office may in fact mean a significant financial reward to Amazon, but not because the employees…
I don't work for Amazon, but used to live right down the street from the Amazon balls and the rest of the crap downtown. I have since moved a bit out of the city and do work in tech. However, I can say that I would not care one iota about what financial interests Andrew Jassy or any other CEO has about their own interests. They do not care about my mental health, time, cost of commuting. Why should I care about their…
I don’t think anyone’s asking you to care. It’s more about explaining the real reasons why Jassy and others are pushing for it.
Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate
#198I must be one of the very very few software engineers that would prefer to RTO. (I'm not at Amazon, btw). I do enjoy the flexibility of being able to occasionally work from home. But I miss the bustling office culture, going out to lunch with coworkers, forming friendships with people from the office who don't necessarily work in the same department/team. Most days, I go into town and work from a WeWork (because it's…
Same. I do like the flexibility but miss the "bustling office culture" as you call it.
Seems like the idea for me would be some kind of hybrid where 2-3 days a week at least most co-workers are together in-office and the other days people are where they are personally most productive.
Wouldn't have to be draconian, leaders could say "I highly encourage" and provide things like lunches and expectations that that's when collaboration, meetings, etc would happen and then also have expectation that there would be "get shit done" days on those non-collaboration-focused days
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Given Meta and Google are slowly turning into another Amazon (e.g. by an influx of Amazon managers bringing their "culture" with them) and Amazon is now paying competitive, I don't think that would be a big medium-term problem for them.
I worked for a mid-cap tech company that brought in Amazon and Salesforce senior leadership in 2021. The culture immediately eroded as these guys’ penchant for finger-pointing and hustling beyond a reasonable human’s capacity became clear.
TeamBlind today:
https://www.teamblind.com/post/Ex-Amazon-managers-are-horrib...
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So you’re saying, being remote is okay as long as that remote in another office?
Hah, that does seem to be what the companies are saying, which is entirely silly. My personal take is that RTO mandates are sorely misguided. Let the people who want an office work in them, and let the people who want to be remote be remote! The net difference is pretty close to nil, especially at large companies where meetings are teleconferencing-by-default! If anything productivity has increased in the remote era.…
I feel ya!
At this point I just don’t see how it’s anything other than control or sunk cost of office space.