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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But also have we reached cultural stagnation, that old media still out competes new ones by such orders of magnitude Where is the next Dahl? Why is there no modern Beatrix Potter? Kids still love those stories and style of writing, which is less trite than most of the modern children's books. It does feel like stagnation, with lots of content being churned out but none of it with great staying power. Instead the ol…

JK Rowling built a billion dollar children’s franchise shortly after Dahls death.

True. Although her audience is a little older than I was thinking. Also I didn't think of her because I don't like her writing, I find it boring. The stories are ok but the way she presents it is dull, to me. Obviously that's a minority opinion given her broad appeal.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Does anything valuable truly emerge from these culture war articles? All I see is people raging from their favorite soap boxes.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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T.H. White's Once and Future King went through several revisions (including, unfortunately, the removal of the Madame Mim fight that showed up in the Disney movie). Only to say: such edits are not unprecedented; few things are the Bible (itself a heavily-edited book).

> including, unfortunately, the removal of the Madame Mim fight that showed up in the Disney movie

Where does this character come from? Searching for Madam Mim or Madame Mim seems to turn up nothing but Disney results. Searching wikipedia for Madam Mim does nothing but redirect to the cast of The Sword in the Stone.

Wickedpedia makes a claim similar to yours:

> Madam Mim appears in the original version of the novel, but not in the revised version featured in The Once and Future King

This appears to say that "the novel" refers to some other novel than The Once and Future King, but of course there is no primary Arthurian source in the form of a novel. I can't really understand it.

It's difficult to extend Wickedpedia the benefit of the doubt, because it goes on to say this:

> Kahl animated her [Madam Mim's] initial interaction with Arthur while Thomas oversaw her famous Wizards' Duel with Merlin. He is a witch Madam Mim who is more which than oversaw. He is also a tiger similar to Shere Khan from The Jungle Book, though he is not in a forest.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#194
post #179

It turns out that Dahl was a real antisemite, to me that is more of an issue: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-fam...

Turns out a person being something you dislike has no direct bearing on the quality of their writing and storytelling. If you can’t appreciate the latter on account of the former, that’s your problem.

> Turns out a person being something you dislike has no direct bearing on the quality of their writing and storytelling.

It turns out that this has a direct bearing on my perception of his writing.

For example i don't have to pay for his stories, if the author doesn't like me for the color of my skin or for belonging to people that the author happens to dislike.

I am also allowed to say that these are very objectionable attitudes. And i can also remind other people that these are very objectionable attitudes.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#195
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But also have we reached cultural stagnation, that old media still out competes new ones by such orders of magnitude Where is the next Dahl? Why is there no modern Beatrix Potter? Kids still love those stories and style of writing, which is less trite than most of the modern children's books. It does feel like stagnation, with lots of content being churned out but none of it with great staying power. Instead the ol…

> Where is the next Dahl? Why is there no modern Beatrix Potter Do you have a child? There are all kinds of amazing children’s authors, loved by parents and kids, that have been creating books over the last 20 years.

I visit the bookstore with my kid regularly. She's 5. My older kids 11 and 14 do find plenty to read, but I disagree that there are plenty of magical modern children's authors capturing the 3 to 10 year old space. There are a lot of books, mostly dross.

And the stories... "I loved my cat/mom/dad then they died" I get it sad stuff happens and kids need to process it but these aren't books that are going to delight. "Your cat died so I got you a book about someone's cat dying"

You're right there are some gems but nothing serially good in the same way.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#196
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Here's a good list of changes. Most are about removing any references to ugly or fat. But also other strange things like changing the author's Matilda likes to read to include Jane Austin and John Steinbeck, not calling people crazy, swapping screeching to annoying, removing brothers and sisters to favor "siblings" and using "folks" instead of "ladies and gentlemen" https://twitter.com/incunabula/status/1626860237104…

Joseph Conrad and Rudyard Kipling wrote favorably about colonialism; they were replaced with more agreeable authors. Use of gendered language is marginalizing to nonbinary people. It's easy to figure out why these changes are being made in particular, once you take a position of empathy.

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Media changes, art is reshaped by new generations. Roald Dahl is dead, the rights to his books have been sold and people are updating them to keep them relevant. This happens to translations (as an example) all the time as the popular lexicon changes. This is how media and art stays relevant. The world changes. The owners of the books have a vested interest in modifying them to continue to be relevant. The tweaks hav…

Which of Shakespeare's plays do you think is too unfashionable to be relevant today, and in dire need of an 'update' to 'keep up with the times'? The best stories are timeless. If you think a story is no longer relevant, it probably wasn't very good in the first place.

All that should be needed is preamble to explain to modern viewer historical content and maybe some antiquated terms or beliefs.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #13

https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/comment/j8zn... Someone put a list of changes on Reddit.

It seems like he removed them from his comment or something?

They still seem to be there for me - the poster made a number of replies to the linked comment (one per book) with a table of changes. Direct links to each reply:

* Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* Esio Trot - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* The Enormous Crocodile - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* The BFG - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* James and the Giant Peach - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* The Witches - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* Matilda - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* Fantastic Mr Fox - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* George's Marvellous Medicine - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

* The Twits - https://old.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1154tr5/the_hundreds...

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#199
post #168

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What are you going to do with all the old books?

Burn them, of course? Is that what you want to hear? No one involved cares about the old books. This isn't about the old books. They're still in libraries. They're still classics, and worth preserving and reading. Go check them out! What's happening here is that the owner of the copyright wants to sell new books to parents. And some of the content is a little off to modern parents, and they think they'll sell more if…

> Everyone here is thinking "ZOMG Political Correct Censorship Claims Another Victim", but what we actually have is "Han Shot First".

"Han Shot First" is the artist changing his own work.

That is entirely different. The reason everyone is yelling is they intuitively sense how wrong it is to posthumously edit an artist without permission. There's a moral question here that exists apart from copyright ownership.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you going to do with all the old books?

I suppose burning them is an option. There could be organized events where like minded individuals surrender literature deemed to be incompatible with recent social norms and fashion.

I hear that local fire departments are expert in burning dangerous books.
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