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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nothing weird about it. It's called first mover's advantage. Wanna make electric cars, you have to beat Tesla. No matter how nice your car is. If your range is worse. Booo. If your self driving is equivalent or worse, Boo. Whatever Tesla has done, you must be better at. You need better design, cheaper price, better range, better reliability else no one would notice you.

I think second mover has a better chance to succeed, even from the first mover themselves (Apple had many ideas for touchscreen devices but most flopped until the 2000s). Iteration on a good enough device or platform will always give you more success than iterating on a false premise (ex. the metaverse).

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Nothing weird about it. It's called first mover's advantage. Wanna make electric cars, you have to beat Tesla. No matter how nice your car is. If your range is worse. Booo. If your self driving is equivalent or worse, Boo. Whatever Tesla has done, you must be better at. You need better design, cheaper price, better range, better reliability else no one would notice you.

Apple came after Blackberry. Dell came after Commodore / Amiga. Facebook came after MySpace. Google came after Altavisa and Yahoo. Verizon came after AOL. Alternating Current came after Direct Current. Microsoft Word came after WordPerfect. Chrome came after Netscape Communicator. Python came after Perl. Nintendo came after Atari. I feel like first movers advantage is a myth.

> Apple came after Blackberry.

Apple and specifically Jony Ive started the development of a handheld computer in the early 90s. Apple was definitely not a second comer to that market.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jony-ives-first-apple-design...

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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People hating on Sundar completely overlooking the fact that he pivoted Google to an AI first company 6 years ago, way before AI was hyped up. https://venturebeat.com/ai/ai-weekly-google-shifts-from-mobi... He funded the Brain team that came up with major research breakthroughs like Transformers that power ChatGPT. AI is embedded behind the scenes in pretty much every Google product, you just don't know it because it…

> Google to an AI first company 6 years ago, way before AI was hyped up AI hype train started back in 2015.

And Google Brain gained traction way before Sundar became CEO

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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>> A calculator in the side bar is fracking awesome! Another case of the browser doing what the OS and Desktop environment should be doing. I like to point at tabs - DEs and GUI toolkits never really came up with a good way to handle multiple documents well.

I think every major OS ships with some sort of calculator. The problem is discoverability. If you're in the middle of browsing, it's quite a bit of effort to say "oh that's right I have a calculator on here let me just find it in the start menu/Applications folder" as opposed to it just being there in the same app you're already using. Widgets would be a potential solution but they keep being tried and abandoned soon…

In linux I press the super key (windows key), type "calc" and enter.

In Mac Os one can use spotlight with cmd + space with similar results.

Or sometimes I check a calculator I implemented myself (shameless plug: https://getcalculator.app/)

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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I think LLMs are great, but most companies have not figured out what they are truly useful for. Hint: it's not for search. LLMs are not knowledge databases, and should not be relied on for unknown information. In my opinion, they are more useful 24/7 editing service. Write a paragraph and ask it to paraphrase. Ask it to make a new story that can be edited. If you don't have any idea what the answer to the thing you're asking is, you shouldn't rely on the response from the bot.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

Fair, but the question isn’t whether it is useful but whether it will replace traditional search

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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In the long run, sure. In the short to medium term, though, they solidly dominate the field. We're still in that phase phase of both Tesla and Bing AI.

It will be interesting to see how the next few years play out in the EV space. Tesla suddenly has actual competition that is very good. Arguably better, aside from that nagging little detail -- the charger network. Tesla needs to keep throwing money at the Supercharger network and do whatever they can to keep it exclusive. Anything that puts the competition on an equal playing field for fast charging would be devasta…

It's unlikely Tesla's market share of the total car market is going to go down no matter how well other companies do. What we're seeing is a general shift towards electric cars, which is only a good thing for Tesla.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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I am super excited about ChatGPT even just yesterday it helped me fix a really difficult bug. (I was so excited that I even wanted to pay for it but their payment was broken haha) However, I am starting to think that moving it to bing already wasn’t a smart move. These things are great on OpenAI scale. But I fear they are a money pit with bad pr for google and even bing scale.

> it helped me fix a really difficult bug

Tell us more?

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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>> A calculator in the side bar is fracking awesome! Another case of the browser doing what the OS and Desktop environment should be doing. I like to point at tabs - DEs and GUI toolkits never really came up with a good way to handle multiple documents well.

I think every major OS ships with some sort of calculator. The problem is discoverability. If you're in the middle of browsing, it's quite a bit of effort to say "oh that's right I have a calculator on here let me just find it in the start menu/Applications folder" as opposed to it just being there in the same app you're already using. Widgets would be a potential solution but they keep being tried and abandoned soon…

On my mac I just use the built in calculator in spotlight. So cmd+space opens the spotlight search widget and then I can just type in whatever I need calculated. Not sure if something like this is built into Windows? More often than not I use Google as my calculator when on Windows.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…

Fair, but the question isn’t whether it is useful but whether it will replace traditional search

Yes it will replace search. The same way that cars replaced horses, and planes replaced zeppelins because they are had a significant speed advantage and allowed humans to spend time doing more productive activities that can't be automated.

Then traditional search is going to become "raw index search" that you can query writing something like "intitle:"carbonara" source:"google_index"" or "give me all webpages containing carbonara in its title"

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