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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Artists are what we call the people who push against the boundaries of majority group-speak and government mandated thinking.

Which is cool and all, great for a democracy etc, but it gets people killed as well if you cross the line with the wrong people [0]. I mean killing is wrong, but so is being a dick. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

Art doesn’t kill people, killers do.

Surprised this has to be said.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#192
post #21

The clip seemed pretty mild to me? Basically says that he wants to do the joke, but it got no laughter, so he's not doing it. You can see worse on an anonymous Twitter feed.

> You can see worse on an anonymous Twitter feed. Your logical fallacy is: whataboutism. Just because you've seen worse doesn't make this incident right.

But there's nothing wrong with this clip? It's basically just saying trans/gay jokes aren't funny.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#193
post #141

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I challenge your interpretation of a joke generator making a joke as "drastic consequences." Twitch has arcane rules about what can be streamed. As a streamer you have to tip-toe around topics (or jokes) regarding specific protected classes. This is a matter of arbitrary lines in the sand.

For a joke generator, making an offensive joke that gets the generator banned from the primary source it uses to reach users seems pretty high up their on the range of negative possible outcomes. That's the point of the comment, if you were applying AI in more serious scenarios, would this be an AI confidently advising a doctor to overdose a patient, or advising a judge to incarcerate someone based on racist inferenc…

> For a joke generator

I'm confused, I thought it was supposed to be generating Seinfeld episodes, not jokes?

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#195

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#196

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The topic is taboo. I cannot be freely discussed on these platforms regardless of the position taken.

Which probably isn't a good strategy to handle taboo topics long-term.

The trick is to not have taboo topics.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Artists are what we call the people who push against the boundaries of majority group-speak and government mandated thinking.

Which is cool and all, great for a democracy etc, but it gets people killed as well if you cross the line with the wrong people [0]. I mean killing is wrong, but so is being a dick. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

It's wild what a difference 8 years makes. I remember at the time of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack, it was universally condemned across the political spectrum as an attack on journalism and freedom of speech. Only those on the fringes of the political spectrum would have even implied that the cartoonists were remotely at fault.

I'd be very curious how widespread your opinion is these days now that support of artistic censorship has become much more mainstream.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#198
post #10

Mm, fairly mild joke. I don't think a human would have been banned for that. But deploying an AI on twitch and not filtering out variations for "trans" and the names of ethnicities is pretty foolhardy imo.

Classic Seinfeld reference: Not that there is anything wrong with it!

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#199
post #12

What is this going to accomplish? Is the robot going to learn from its mistakes? Or is this supposed to be against the programmers for "failing to put in safeguards" or something like that? It's kind of silly - it's not that the robot was bad but that if you keep it on 24/7 it will eventually say something bad. An infinite monkey typewriter will contain transphobic text.

Are you suggesting that Twitch should ignore accounts that violate the ToS, so long as it was a computer that violated the terms as opposed to a person?

Computers can't violate terms, not unless we start recognizing their personhood.

They can't own accounts and they can't decide what content is shown any more than the rain can decide if my dog gets wet.

So the notion of people being absolved of responsibility for the procsses they set in motion is absurd.

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