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7.8 magnitude earthquake hits Turkiye

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Re: 7.8 magnitude earthquake hits Turkiye

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Post by supercheetah »

midoridensha wrote: post #139
arp242 wrote: post #137

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Clearly there are limits to what is reasonable though; Vietnam is the common spelling in English, and I think it would be unreasonable to demand everyone spells it as Việt Nam. I can type most diacritics without too much effort, but no idea how to do that ệ double diacritic. The title on HN actually gets it "wrong" by the way, as it's supposed to be Türkiye, not Turkiye. Things can have more than one spelling or name…

At least "Vietnam" is somewhat close to the native spelling. I live in Japan, and the English name is nothing at all like the native name (日本, romanized as "nihon"). But you don't see the Japanese government throwing a fit over this. Furthermore, the name in many other languages is the same or much like "Japan": in German, it's spelled the same, but pronounced "yapan" since there's no (English) J sound. What does the…

It did make it confusing though. For a long time as a kid, I always wondered why I never heard native Japanese speakers say "Japan" unless they were speaking English. While I couldn't understand it, I could somewhere reasonably sometimes hear words where I've seen it's romanization, but not ever hearing "Japan" was quite baffling for a long time.

Re: 7.8 magnitude earthquake hits Turkiye

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Post by mikrotikker »

bamboozled wrote: post #168
mikrotikker wrote: post #165

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You think its about differences? It's about oil and gas. Nothing gets in that way of that.

This is an unnecessarily vague comment. Either way, if it wasn't about differences then we'd either just share access to the resources we need, and if it wasn't for differences, there would be no way to justify the war? Why would Russian invade Ukraine for gas and oil, when all the gas and oil is already in Ukraine.

Because US corps like Shell were there setting up to take it.

Re: 7.8 magnitude earthquake hits Turkiye

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Post by fy20 »

pg_bot wrote: post #47
anonu wrote: post #33

This guy somehow predicted it? https://twitter.com/hogrbe/status/1621479563720118273?t=uZuu... Lucky or good?

Hmm this guy's focus on planetary movements and lunar geometry light up the parts of my brain reserved for detecting quackery. I would bet that he got extremely lucky with his timing.

Not debating whether this guy is a quack, but it's worth noting that there have been studies showing a strong correlation between accidents and the lunar cycle:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7954673/

There are also studies suggesting that lunar cycles causes behaviour changes in humans, which could explain that. This doesn't seem that unreasonable given that the lunar cycle has been shown to affect the behaviour of animals and insects:

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/do-full-moons-an...

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Post by Koshkin »

mlindner wrote: post #153
egorfine wrote: post #141

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As a Ukrainian I can feel the pain. Some people in the government renamed the english spelling of my city into an unreadable alphabet soup. Not only they strongly insist the whole world to spell it this way, they also deem everyone who doesn't like it a traitor. So, spelling matters. A lot. Unfortunately.

I'm not sure how this is related to this case? Isn't there still a cyrillic spelling of your city? Did they change that one as well? I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the English spelling to match the cyrillic one. Is it the same?

There are two Cyrillic spellings, one being Ukrainian and one Russian. Previously the transliterations were based on the Russian spelling.

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Post by Koshkin »

pyuser583 wrote: post #138
arp242 wrote: post #135

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Umlaut modifies how a letter is pronounced; diaeresis tells you where a new syllable starts. I'm not sure how to pronounce "u" or "ü" in Turkish. The problem with naive is that it's not very clear how to pronounce it: it's "na-ive", which isn't very clear. With naïve there's a clear indication that the "i" starts a new syllable. While I agree that diaeresis in English are more archaic than not, I don't agree it's bet…

While it’s not clear how to pronounce “naive” - that’s common in English. Plenty of English words have little relation between how they are spelled and how they are pronounced. We don’t usually revert to archaic spellings to solve the matter. https://www.thoughtco.com/chaos-by-charivarius-gerard-nolst-...

> it’s not clear how to pronounce

Indeed, this is a universal property of English spelling.

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Post by earthboundkid »

personjerry wrote: post #60
earthboundkid wrote: post #56

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And we should ignore that because we speak English and they don’t.

The word isn't an English word... Do you call Beijing "Peking" as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Beijing

Yes. The name “Beijing” is for people writing in pinyin, which is not a transliteration designed for English speakers. English speakers should use Yale romanization or the traditional postal romanization for well known places.

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Post by dizhn »

govg wrote: post #136
dizhn wrote: post #73

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Nobody will care about it after Erdoğan is gone. We've been called that for a long time and it never really bothered anybody. We call India "Hindistan" (land of turkeys) ourselves and nobody seems to see the irony there.

You have the cause and effect reversed. Hindustan doesn't mean land of turkeys, it is that the bird is named after the country (Hindustan is a semi official name for India, ultimately both names come from the Indus river) in some languages. In my understanding it is because the bird is actually from the new world, so the existing cultures made up / didn't know where the bird was supposed to be from, and called it "bi…

I didn't mean it that way but if you look at the name and all the other -stans that's how it translates. It's quite fascinating how various countries name the bird. Another similar example in Turkish is the one for Egypt. I believe it's Misr in Arabic. In Turkish it's Mısır, which is the word for 'corn'. I am not aware of them complaining about Turks calling their country corn. :)

Re: 7.8 magnitude earthquake hits Turkiye

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Post by [deleted] »

cjensen wrote: post #45
anonu wrote: post #33

This guy somehow predicted it? https://twitter.com/hogrbe/status/1621479563720118273?t=uZuu... Lucky or good?

That's not a prediction that can be evaluated. For example, I could say "there will be a 7+ magnitude quake somewhere in the Pacific Rim tomorrow" and if I publish the same prediction every day it won't be long until my prediction is true. I might even be right the very first time. A real prediction should include exact time period, magnitude, and geographic area. And every prediction made must be documented. This le…

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Re: 7.8 magnitude earthquake hits Turkiye

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Post by mlindner »

Koshkin wrote: post #195
mlindner wrote: post #153

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I'm not sure how this is related to this case? Isn't there still a cyrillic spelling of your city? Did they change that one as well? I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the English spelling to match the cyrillic one. Is it the same?

There are two Cyrillic spellings, one being Ukrainian and one Russian. Previously the transliterations were based on the Russian spelling.

Ah I see. I think that's fine given the current conditions. However at some point, long after this war, it'd be nice to see Ukraine endorse a policy of multilingualism, as many other European countries seem to manage just fine.
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