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Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#191
post #100

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> That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some sort of ethical loophole The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona.…

> The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona. There are simple ethical alternatives, just not disclose that information, or just avoid that questions. Lying in this case is clearly unacceptable.…

> There are simple ethical alternatives, just not disclose that information, or just avoid that questions.

That's not always possible.

> Lying in this case is clearly unacceptable.

In what case?

If you're really taking the stance that anonymity is never ethically more important than honesty, that's a pretty extreme stance. Are women being stalked by an ex who is a cop required to be honest about their identities? Are reporters investigating sex trafficking required to be honest about their identities?

In a more broad sense, there are many corporations and governments out there who follow no ethical rules whatsoever and are sucking up as much information on everyone as they can. These people don't have any sort of right to that information, and don't have a right to my honesty. If anything, I think the moral thing to do, if any, is to hamper these people's efforts by feeding them as much incorrect information as much as possible.

> It is also a signalling issue.

Everything is a signaling issue. Your post, for example, signals you as a person who has not-very-nuanced opinions about nuanced topics, and therefore can't be trusted in nuanced situations. If you wouldn't lie to the police to protect a pot smoker, or lie to an advertiser to protect my privacy, you aren't an ethical person by my standards. I do believe you have good intentions, but intentions that don't translate into the correct actions don't mean much.

> There is a universal social contract not to lie.

This is what I mean about not-very-nuanced opinions.

> If someone is willing to lie in such minor issues, then such person is totally untrustworthy, because there is no reason to assume they would not lie or hold other social contracts in more serious cases when it does not suit them.

1. What issues are you considering minor? You seem extraordinarily willing to generalize some specific-but-not-described situation you're imagining to all of reality.

2. There are lots of reasons to assume that someone who lies to cops won't lie to me, for example.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#192
post #19

Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

Is lying in-of-itself unethical? I'd be curious to probe a framework that thinks it is, while not holding that axiomatically. As someone who leans heavily into consequentialism, I can think of plenty of times lying can lead to a net positive for everyone. Likewise, there are harmful truths that should be suppressed. That suggests to me that lying is, in-of-itself, amoral. The effect of the lie (or the intent, if you…

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Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#194

> Use an AI face generator to create a completely believable face to match your new name. Download it once and use it everywhere. Run it through face aging software to use this same persona for the rest of your life. This approach will need a plan for dealing with Zoom. It has normalized, in a very short time, the video component of what used to be strictly audio - the phone call. If you don't display your face, peop…

Coming soon, and recently discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34622699

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#195

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Well, I'm allowed to talk about it publicly but I still would like to default to undersharing. It was a little over five years. Long enough. My spouse and I got married very quickly after meeting and yes the impact on one's life is real, but so is the upside and I find few online that talk about it. The upside is real. You see the extremes of humanity and it clarifies the importance of ethics in life.

Perfectly understandable, I did not want to pry but found it fascinating and could not help myself.

No problem at all. If we were at a bar I'd say more, but with online stuff the safety margins are tighter because every word is picked over by everyone. It's not just states. There are a lot of mentally ill people out there.

That said, I think others should consider working in this field. The impact is real and I think many HNers would make good agents and officers. So I'm starting to talk about it online and I'm reworking my website and other things. Think of it as continued public service. We (Nato and friends) need good people doing this work.

One thing I should have mentioned is that I'm still working in this area, just not directly for the Canadian government any longer.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#196

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What is a NOC agent? National occupation classification? Network operations centre?

I believe that is Non Official Cover Agent. Basically, a intelligence agent that, well, they do a lot of stuff, but from my understanding, not having worked in the system, they mostly handle informants and turn sources and handle intelligence gathering. A spy. It's non-official cover in the sense that they don't come as a diplomat attache or anything of the sorts but go there and present themselves as a private indiv…

This is a good summary. Most people I knew didn't know and if they knew anything it was only a hint here or there and most assumed I was doing sigint work.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#199
post #72

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Can you give insight into how that top 10 chart demonstrates anonymity?

Sure, feel free to point out how it makes me less anonymous.

Not saying these are necessarily all yours but the cluster of accounts O__________O, billme, saycheese, wonderous, endlessly, nxzero, v2hle0thslzrav2 are all in each others top 5 or so which is usually a sign of a good match and unless you are saying that you never revealed any identifying info in any of the several hundred comments you have made there is likely some loss of anonymity. If you used a VPN consistently on one account but didn't on one of your earlier accounts then the whole point of the VPN goes right out the window if someone say gets a subpoena.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#200

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I don't agree that your RL identity is a "minor" thing. It's right up among the most important things.

That entirely depends on who you’re interacting with and the context of that interaction. Your best friend? I would hope you feel comfortable enough sharing your RL identity or deeper secrets. A random company you interact with? Why would it matter, let alone be one of the most important things?

The fact that the first person you mention is "your best friend" is an indication of the importance you're placing on it. Nobody is using a nom de plume for their electric bill, you're being deliberately obtuse.
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