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Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Post by maxerickson »

geraldwhen wrote: post #174
gitfan86 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want accrued benefits. That means that someone owes me 1000s of dollars and I cannot have that debt honored unless I quit my job? I generally try to work at places that value my contributions but do not try to micromanage me. If I want/need to take time off, I do. If at some point I'm taking off so much time that they no longer feel that I'm contributing enough to the company, then fine they can let me go.

I’ve always worked at accrued vacation companies, but it was never really an issue. You can take vacation in January if you want, although if you blow your whole vacation in January and quit in February I suppose that could cause problems.

The contract will often have a payback clause or reduced time for the first year of vacation hours if they are granted annually. So the benefit is earned more than it is awarded ahead of time, the company shouldn't complain that you use it.

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Post by maxerickson »

rs999gti wrote: post #188

Fake titles also help with attrition. If the employee feels like they are being promoted, instead of actually getting a title change and raise, then they will likely not leave.

Are people really not just completely mercenary about their title?

Like I can see putting up with a title change that comes with a small raise if there is new work that is more interesting and the new role opens up a better pay band, but I can't see why the title itself would motivate someone for very long at all.

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Post by molotovh »

realslimjd wrote: post #93
pxue wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a small government advocate, i have no issue with labor boards. the alternative is violence or unionization, neither of which are optimal in resolving disputes like these in a civilized and efficient manner.

What do unions have to do with small government? A union contract is an agreement between two private parties.

My interpretation of that comment was, "I'm not in favor of increasing the size of government, but I'd rather see a government labor board exist than another union."

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

ska wrote: post #168
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #145

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Intercom are headquartered in Ireland, and have unlimited PTO. When I interviewed with them, the recruiter said she averaged about 4 weeks a year (which is below the legal minimum). You do have to take the leave within the first quarter if the year following.

> he recruiter said she averaged about 4 weeks a year (which is below the legal minimum) how does that work?

I think she, like anyone else in that situation would be forced to take leave before the end of March of the following year.

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Post by FrontierPsych »

willcipriano wrote: post #10

I worked for a restaurant that did this to me. To make sure I hit the "minimum hours" (when you start talking about hours vs tasks or responsibilities you probably aren't getting into a legitimate salary arrangement) they would have me clock in and out, and I'd get pay stubs with 40 hours (less if I worked less) and the overtime hours paid at $0. They withheld my last paycheck when I quit and stopped responding to my…

I've said this before, but if you steal $300 from the store, you go to jail.

If a company steals $300 from the employee, the people in charge - the CEO - should have the same fate. It would solve the problem pretty quickly.

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Post by BonoboIO »

BonoboIO wrote: post #170
willcipriano wrote: post #10

I worked for a restaurant that did this to me. To make sure I hit the "minimum hours" (when you start talking about hours vs tasks or responsibilities you probably aren't getting into a legitimate salary arrangement) they would have me clock in and out, and I'd get pay stubs with 40 hours (less if I worked less) and the overtime hours paid at $0. They withheld my last paycheck when I quit and stopped responding to my…

20 Grand ... like 20.000$ WOW. That’s a nice surprise.

Why the downvotes?

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Post by quantified »

JamesBarney wrote: post #129
hourago wrote: post #43

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> I know one union that was perfectly happy letting government workers make sox figures while "working" from home, while they produced objectively zero work over a period of months. "Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles" is fraud. If you do not like unions because ONE did something that you do not like , how much do you hate companies were you have thousands of examples of bad…

On hackernews most of the complaints I see about unions are people who've had direct experience with unions. My experience with unions was they were shady, jobs were given out based on nepotism, work was given out solely based on seniority and most work you did for them involved kickbacks.

I have direct experience with both types of unions and it's super frustrating. SF labor unions whose members threaten you with violence over who can move your own property to your car: screw them. Harvard University union trying to get basic benefits for staff of which my wife was one: love them.

Every system is only as good as the people in them.

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Post by raincom »

willcipriano wrote: post #95
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #81

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> Couple weeks later they send me a check for 20 grand out of the blue Glad this ended up working out in your favor. Your story makes me wonder how often such a practice doesn't end with the employer forking up the 20 grand they stole. I guess I've heard it said that wage theft is the most common form of theft but this is still rather frustrating to think about. Does this sort of practice come with some other punishm…

Lots of people don't know about labor boards so I think they get away with it most of the time. In ten years across seven restaurants in the restaurant industry that was the only time I was paid time and a half for overtime, lots of places do cash overtime instead. Even the chains have stolen labor from me, did a month at Applebee's and the manager would "save me time" by clocking me out 15 - 20 minutes early at the…

Even many body shops run with h1-bs, and by Asians try to not pay the last pay check. ESP if it is corp to corp, these staffing companies try to not pay the last invoice.

I think in California, even illegals are eligible for workers compensation.

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Post by [deleted] »

nixgeek wrote: post #25

I’ve noticed that in larger technology companies there has also been a trend towards getting a “Manager” title but leading a team of 1-2 people. Maybe there will be intent to grow this to 3-4 people or more in future years, but that hinders giving others a title and their own small team (which can be considered career progression). Then you might see another leader (Manager of Managers, or “MoM”) who has 5 of these s…

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