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What if the commissioner is bought by other interest groups and does not represent the best interest of the people?
As stated above: the nation that nominated the commissioner can recall its commissioner.
EU chat control law will ban open source operating systems
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#192And ... it is gone from the front page. HN is explicitely not the place for political activism of any kind, however justified the cause, just remember that, than you are not enraged by it. And my general point on this is: I'd like to see them try. It likely will get softened up quite a lot, but if they really go through with it, they will turn lots of technical (or just privacy concerned) people into criminals over n…
We downweighted it because this topic has had lots of discussion [1] and the current article didn't seem to contain significant new information [2, 3]. It's possible that was a wrong call; I didn't look closely at the article. If you or anyone feel strongly about a case like this you should email us at hn@ycombinator.com and make an argument for why the article and thread are worth re-ranking. [1] https://news.ycombi…
Well, I do feel strongly about this case, but I know and respect, that your main motivation here, is providing a place for interesting debates and political activism often just leads to lots of rants and blowing of steam. So I would appreciate it, if topics like these sometimes are visible, so more people are aware of the topic, but I can live with the downranking of this specific article (especially since it was a bit hyperbole).
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And it's not just this surveillance law that depresses me, reading up on the cyber resilience act just feels to me like it will suck even more fun out of software development, at least in a professional context. God forbid people who love to use the title engineer will have to apply the rigour and standards of actual engineering to the work they do.
And be held responsible when implementing spyware, tracking and emission defeat devices? That would be the day HN starts a revolt.
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#194Not a very good interpretation of the law, but I'm sure it gets a lot of traffic. The EU definition of online intermediation services specifies that a contractual relationship must exist. It's focused on businesses. RPM repositories, apt repositories, pkgsrc, and so forth are therefore completely unaffected, as there's no contractual relationship between the providers and users. Elementary OS, Flatpak, and Canonical'…
There are contractual relationships between the services and business users: the open source license agreements. These are legal agreements between the copyright holders and the distributors. Does that not fulfill requirement 2.2.c in EU regulation 2019/1150?
EU law is cloudier on whether a copyright license constitutes a contract. Under common law there has to be consideration for a contract. Not all EU member states require that, but enough do that I think they'd leave it alone.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
We downweighted it because this topic has had lots of discussion [1] and the current article didn't seem to contain significant new information [2, 3]. It's possible that was a wrong call; I didn't look closely at the article. If you or anyone feel strongly about a case like this you should email us at hn@ycombinator.com and make an argument for why the article and thread are worth re-ranking. [1] https://news.ycombi…
"If you or anyone feel strongly about a case like this" Well, I do feel strongly about this case, but I know and respect, that your main motivation here, is providing a place for interesting debates and political activism often just leads to lots of rants and blowing of steam. So I would appreciate it, if topics like these sometimes are visible, so more people are aware of the topic, but I can live with the downranki…
This is on the front page today - on the same topic and from the same source:
Stop the proposal on mass surveillance of the EU - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34626395
I don't know whether that article or this one would have been a better fit for HN but it's clear that there's community appetite to discuss this.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
183_333 per head is a lot in Romania, but pretty much in line public administration spending in Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany and France where the bulk of the staff works. This is not just salaries, but cost, including building, services schools, pensions and god knows what. P.S. As I noted elsewhere, if you want to voice your concern about eurocrats' pay, start with Ombudsman office. They spend much more per hea…
ok, where do I voice my concern?
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Or get a degree in engineering.
If software dev had been licensed and regulated this way we’d have only a tiny fraction of what we have now in terms of languages, OSes, tooling, etc. There are specific areas where it makes sense but doing it broadly will just halt all innovation.
1) There are a lot of people doing engineering without a degree. One example: many makers are not engineers and they do a lot of good stuff anyway. What they don't do is taking legal responsibility because they are not allowed to. It's no warranty / no fitness for a purpose stuff. Similarly there is a lot of software with no warranty / no fitness clauses. History demonstrated that it's good enough to keep the world spinning.
2) Most people in the software industry do engineering jobs no matter if they have a degree in Computer Science or Software Engineering (I didn't check the USA name for that, sorry) or in anything else. I know very good software developers, maybe with an architect / engineer job title, with no degree at all or with a degree in Graphic Design or Philosophy or Agronomy. They moved to software development because they tinkered with their computers, wrote some programs and discovered that they are good at it. Nobody notices the difference after 5 or 10 years of work. The only downside it's a little narrowness of expertise: they have many more unknown unknowns because nobody systematically told them what's there outside and how it works, even at high level. One example: that good software developer with the Graphic Design degree told me once that he doesn't really know how networking works. To him it's the configuration screen of his Mac and HTTP calls from Node.js.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft could compile software in the US and export it without the compiler. Other issues could be solved with a Microsoft Windows 11 EU Edition that only allows programs to be installed from the Microsoft store.
FOSS is shipped by Microsoft on the Microsoft store. It, too, would be illegal.
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How does it work in the United States? Let's say there's a problem affecting South Carolina. How would South Carolina voters convince Californian politicians about South Carolina problems? If convinced, what actions would Californian politicians take?
Problems that are affecting South Carolina will be spoken about in English. Californians will hear about it here and there. They can be seen as national problems. Something like that doesn't happen in the EU. Every language is like an entirely different political sphere. US presidential elections (and the party system) add another reason for politicians to care about what the voters in another state think. If Democra…
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>Yet...How can the same organization be behind this? Very easy. The organisation is huge and composed from 100000s of people working on different goals. They don't have any supervision, no democratic vote and if they decided they want to grow 400% in one year, they simply could and would, because no one feels like EU is "their government" they could easily protest against. If they want to create EU-Online-Child-Safet…
I'm afraid all of this comment is essentially nonsense. For starters, the EU system (including the Commission, all the various agencies across the Union, all courts, etc.) employs around 60,000 people. The government of Sweden alone employs more people for a population of only 10M. The EU is in fact fairly lean given its scope and the number of languages. National governments are responsible for implementing almost e…
Given how many it employs you can’t have both.