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The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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I feel quite strongly about this. Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). Therefore I believe that as our society reaches for further egalitarianism, this hi…

> Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). This is the claim: intelligence is just some combination of education, class, and race Let's state the obvious here…

This is cope. Nobody goes around denying Down's syndrome exists, so when you say "they're denying genetics" you actually mean "they're denying it except for all the times they don't".

Nevertheless I do deny it. Genes don't cause anything, they just sit there in nucleuses. If you don't include the entire causal chain you're not serious either.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Mate these people aren't your enemy no matter how much you think they make compared to you. You think it was only blue haired 300k social media managers that got layed off or something? There's sand pounding IT guys there that got layed off too, I know for a fact cause some are my friends. Yeah it was a Google job so it was lux but they were running fiber and getting called in at 2am cause some clueless executive's e…

> larger shareholders who contribute nothing They contributed investment capital to the company.

When an investor buys shares of a company, the company doesn’t get that money, the other seller investor does. No investment capital is “contributed” to the company (unless the seller is actually the company itself).

These investors aren’t contributing capital to the company—they are betting on one square on a roulette wheel.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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I heard the same about Ericsson in Europe. Any other known retirement places?

LinkedIn also has that reputation.

Linkedin and Salesforce PM's tend to be the stereotypical answer (products that haven't changed for years).

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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> larger shareholders who contribute nothing They contributed investment capital to the company.

When an investor buys shares of a company, the company doesn’t get that money, the other seller investor does. No investment capital is “contributed” to the company (unless the seller is actually the company itself). These investors aren’t contributing capital to the company—they are betting on one square on a roulette wheel.

Theoretically, being a shareholder exposes you to the risk of the company failing or the shares otherwise becoming worthless. The previous owner is selling their investment to you, and it is now as if you are the original investor, for whatever price the shares were originally sold by the company. So there's a kernel of substance in there at least.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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> Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). This is the claim: intelligence is just some combination of education, class, and race Let's state the obvious here…

This is cope. Nobody goes around denying Down's syndrome exists, so when you say "they're denying genetics" you actually mean "they're denying it except for all the times they don't". Nevertheless I do deny it. Genes don't cause anything, they just sit there in nucleuses. If you don't include the entire causal chain you're not serious either.

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Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Yeah, but this is literally a rich-get-richer kind of thing. Labor doesn't have that privilege.

> Labor doesn't have that privilege robinhood.com says you're incorrect.

How many Robinhood users have made more than pocket change without losing it all in a subsequent gamble? And of those who did, how many are not already at an upper income bracket?

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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But what labor did they contribute? Follow the chain and at most what they did was buy someone else's labor and attach it to the Google brand (through having more cash for hiring), there's other ways to do that though, like loans, or structuring as a co-op so all employees are simply the only shareholders.

> But what labor did they contribute? I.e. you're positing the "Labor Theory of Value", which is the basis of Marxism. The LToV errs in assigning zero value to risk-taking and the fact that some people are far more productive than others.

Is it any more in error than equating market price with value?

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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Observing super priviliged people whining about how unfair it is to get laid off is really something.

There's nothing "privileged" about working at Google. It's a job, like anything else in tech.

Earning $200k/yr without doing anything special is a privilige very few people in the world get to enjoy.

I have no sympathy for these people.

Learn a real skill and do something useful.

Before you jump and say they do have a skill: why are they whining then? People who have skills don't whine when they are laid off. They just go and find another place to work.

The fact that they need to whine so loudly about it tells you everything you need to know: they have nothing of value to contribute, or they were getting paid many times more than their skill is actually worth.

Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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My two cents; by picking a CEO who only knew Google, an environment full of self delusion that Google itself was responsible for Google’s success. A general social trend to value tech in our lives seems lost on the genius CEOs. They really seem to think billions care they specifically exist, when really if they did not someone else would have been CEO. Some other company that came before Google would be Google big if…

> by picking a CEO who only knew Google, an environment full of self delusion that Google itself was responsible for Google’s success. That would be Marissa Mayer.

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Re: The Google layoffs are about personal ambition and poor leadership

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There's a good HL Mencken quote about the likelihood of people getting collectively smarter: "No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. "

I feel quite strongly about this. Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). Therefore I believe that as our society reaches for further egalitarianism, this hi…

There is no hierarchy of intelligence. Stupidity is independent of IQ.
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