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Re: WTF with high school questions?

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post #10

They use the same format for Accounts Payable Clerk as they do for Director of Devops. Slightly lazy, sure, but not really blog post worthy. If you're an experienced hire just put do not recall and move on with your life.

> Slightly lazy

Incredibly lazy, and likely not useful

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#192
post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Would of" is just is a misspelling of "would've".

Irregardless of that fact, if enough people misuse a word or grammatical construct long enough, it becomes de facto correct

Sure. I'll give it a couple hundred years.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#193
post #171

> I got kicked out of AP English for insubordination in high school. The difference between my high-school performance in English classes and professional accomplishments as a writer is vast Ironically, if I was a hiring manager I would much rather care about your history of insubordination than your self-ascribed writing skills.

> I would much rather care about your history of insubordination than your self-ascribed writing skills. A valid strategy if servility is a trait matching the role. But I doubt it would be present in those capable of producing insightful or thoughtful writing. Unique value usually emerges from some degree of risk taking, including the risks involved in hiring talented people over reliable sheep where needed.

Or it means they they assume to know everything and are absolutely odious to work with in any sort of knowledge profession.

You're hearing noble assumptions of risk taking and talent, sticking the neck out and lording over the sheep, but all I'm seeing is narcissism and overconfidence.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#194
post #71

Shopify has an initial round with recruiter called "Life Story interview". You basically start from the beginning, talking about your high school experience, what did you like there and what did you study, your childhood hobbies ...

This seems strange for a middle aged candidate, what are they looking for here? Communication skills? I wanna believe most people would pass unless they said their childhood hobbies are torturing animals and setting fires. But I have no idea.

> This seems strange for a middle aged candidate, what are they looking for here? Communication skills?

Culture fit, probably looking for a few keywords or experiences that match a profile.

Seems fraught with peril from a legal perspective, IMO. Lotta hooks or opportunities for discrimination.

OTOH I could also see the appeal, e.g. you're not the ideal-on-paper candidate, but you did a bunch of X and Y, had experience w/ Z, tell me about the other stuff, sell me a little. I'm not an MIT hyper-literati type but give me the chance to show why that doesn't matter, etc. etc.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#195
post #171

> I got kicked out of AP English for insubordination in high school. The difference between my high-school performance in English classes and professional accomplishments as a writer is vast Ironically, if I was a hiring manager I would much rather care about your history of insubordination than your self-ascribed writing skills.

> I would much rather care about your history of insubordination than your self-ascribed writing skills. A valid strategy if servility is a trait matching the role. But I doubt it would be present in those capable of producing insightful or thoughtful writing. Unique value usually emerges from some degree of risk taking, including the risks involved in hiring talented people over reliable sheep where needed.

It depends on what you are doing. If you are being given access to an important shared code base, being a team player seems much more important than a single minded rock-star.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#196

I've never seen this outside investment banking or management consulting, and even then, it was a very local thing (Scandinavia) edit: Because they wanted "full picture" of the candidates. Meaning that they don't put too much weight on your HS grades, but that having been a consistent performer throughout your life, is a positive trait for them.

What kind of consistent performer? consistently mediocre?

> Solid 83% man my whole life, and I'll give you a solid 83 for all 4 years I'm there!

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#197
post #6

Related: This was the first step in the interview process at Canonical – I withdrew (2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30735678

The great thing about being FI is the lack of worry over this garbage. I would have truthfully answered that I was a terrible student, that I could only focus on subjects that truly interested me, and that one of those subjects fortunately happened to be coding. They want to toss my resume for my struggles 20 years ago? So be it. It's as good of a filter for me not wanting to work for them as it is vice versa.

I'm pretty sure I'd have great answers for those questions, but that was also 30 years ago and the fact that those questions are being asked tells me I don't want to work there.

I've hired lots of software engineers in my life, and even for ones right out of university, I'm not sure I could recall what university they attended.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#198

Their hiring process is, ah, "interesting", but without getting into that let me note: 1) There are more questions about high school if you make it into the interviews, so they do take it seriously. 2) There is research indicating that "who or how we are" is pretty well determined in our formative years, with the high school years being a prime driver, so there is at least some rational motivation to ask about it. Ex…

In high school I was stealing to order so I could afford rent, oh, and heroin. I've not subsequently done either of those things for at least 25 years and counting, so I'm not overly sure on point #2.

Resourceful, can-do attitude, gets things done. Check. You're hired.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#199
post #11
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about Canonical's motives and reasoning. Perhaps the question about language indicates that they're only looking for people who wouldn't have closed their tabs.

I would be able to give "impressive" answers to those questions, yet I'd still close the tab. Canonical is shooting themselves in the foot. The next worst thing they could have asked was my Myers-Briggs personality category.

> I would be able to give "impressive" answers to those questions

I want to complain that they don't have a "won the state championship" answer for the math question. The allowed responses don't even capture my full, 30 years ago high school glory.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#200

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They really do want the people that will crawl through broken glass for them. The whole tech industry is insane. Can we please go back to: I give you work, you give me money. And if you want passion then I want equity .

There are 8 billion people on the planet and remote work & automation is changing the game. If you won't crawl through broken glass, cool, there are 5000+ people in India who might, and a couple hundred jr IT support types a lot closer who are being replaced with an IAM system. Two World Wars killed the main working segments of entire generations -- young men -- and allowed the West to take the lead for a while. The…

Go ahead. That math whiz can't deliver solutions fit for the real-world. I've seen it time and time again. But hey, I'm hoping you throw your money at that math whiz because you wasting your time and money is how I'm going to beat you!
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