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HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by amelius »

jesuscript wrote: post #19

Form factor for AR is literally like nuclear fusion at the moment. I don’t know when they are going to get it looking like normal fucking glasses, but until then, no one is going outside with this shit. They have to pivot this soon enough to a cheap at-home AR thingy. VR headsets are getting smaller at least: https://en.shiftall.net/products/meganex I would suspect Apple will never release something that isn’t as sma…

From what it looks like from the outside, that MeganeX has a small field of view.

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by major505 »

zdragnar wrote: post #25
jesuscript wrote: post #19

Form factor for AR is literally like nuclear fusion at the moment. I don’t know when they are going to get it looking like normal fucking glasses, but until then, no one is going outside with this shit. They have to pivot this soon enough to a cheap at-home AR thingy. VR headsets are getting smaller at least: https://en.shiftall.net/products/meganex I would suspect Apple will never release something that isn’t as sma…

VR is, IMHO, a fundamentally flawed concept. To immerse yourself, you need to block out your peripheral vision and everything else. The average, casual user isn't going to do that on a regular basis. It's not something you can do with kids around if you need to keep an eye on them, unlike a book or a TV show or even a game on your phone or laptop. Fundamentally, immersion is a selling point to a very specific audienc…

I don't have much use for VR. But augmented reality seens to be more the way of the future.

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by adg001 »

deltree7 wrote: post #132
zdragnar wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VR is, IMHO, a fundamentally flawed concept. To immerse yourself, you need to block out your peripheral vision and everything else. The average, casual user isn't going to do that on a regular basis. It's not something you can do with kids around if you need to keep an eye on them, unlike a book or a TV show or even a game on your phone or laptop. Fundamentally, immersion is a selling point to a very specific audienc…

I've been literally playing Cricket VR for 4 hours everyday since X-Mas. For someone who played college-level cricket, this is a dream come true for me and the sensation of hitting the ball in the middle of the bat is mind blowing. But, here's the kicker. In real world, If I had play 120 pitches (baseball equivalent), I'd have to wait for 4 hours. In VR it could be done in 30 minutes. I've already lost 7 pounds and f…

> in the next 5 years

I will not hold my breath. I tested the first (admittedly rudimentary) HMDs in the mid 1990s. VR was f-ing hot back in the days among those of us interested in "computer graphics". According to commentators, VR would have disrupted our lives over the next a few years. Here we are.

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by ilyt »

jesuscript wrote: post #27
zdragnar wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VR is, IMHO, a fundamentally flawed concept. To immerse yourself, you need to block out your peripheral vision and everything else. The average, casual user isn't going to do that on a regular basis. It's not something you can do with kids around if you need to keep an eye on them, unlike a book or a TV show or even a game on your phone or laptop. Fundamentally, immersion is a selling point to a very specific audienc…

The average user wont do it because there is still physical barriers. The headsets are too heavy still, and outside of the Quest2, they are usually tethered. It’s not a casual experience yet because even putting the headset on is not a casual matter. You have to fuck with the strap to get a nice aligned view, constantly adjust the visor, scratching your nose or adjusting your glasses requires fumbling around. It’s no…

I'd think that's more related to a fact you need pricy gaming PC in addition to pricy headset, all to play select few games

> You have to fuck with the strap to get a nice aligned view, constantly adjust the visor, scratching your nose or adjusting your glasses requires fumbling around.

I doubt anyone didn't get VR for that reasons

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by acous »

Eisenstein wrote: post #82
abirch wrote: post #48

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I want VR so that I can have 8 different monitors and even more desktops. I want this at work so I can have different remote sessions up and just look right to see the current metrics, left for slack and email, vs code central...

I hope you know how to touch-type.

It's already possible to bring a supported keyboard into VR on the Quest.

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by Jochim »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #174
dragonwriter wrote: post #35

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> The average, casual user isn’t going to do that on a regular basis. So? Plenty of successful products aren’t for the average, casual user. HOTAS controllers aren’t for instance. So what? Not everything is universal adoption or nothing. Also, predictions about the “average, casual user” will want tend to be…unreliable. Trends driven by the kind of non-average, non-casual users that tend to be early adopters can shif…

I agree with the parent comment, VR is going to be a strictly niche thing. People, as in the vast majority of people, do not like wearing something covering their eyes for long periods of time. I think this is why Meta's big bet on Enterprise VR is going to be a flop. This doesn't mean VR won't be successful for gaming or highly technical niche things just that getting over the chasm of early adopters/niche to mainst…

I wonder if high quality pass-through video would improve the issue with covering the eyes.

I've found that even the current pass-through on the Index has made me a lot more comfortable moving around, knowing that if I'm close to knocking something I'll get a low-res view of the real world before I hit it.

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by throwaway4aday »

adg001 wrote: post #193
deltree7 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been literally playing Cricket VR for 4 hours everyday since X-Mas. For someone who played college-level cricket, this is a dream come true for me and the sensation of hitting the ball in the middle of the bat is mind blowing. But, here's the kicker. In real world, If I had play 120 pitches (baseball equivalent), I'd have to wait for 4 hours. In VR it could be done in 30 minutes. I've already lost 7 pounds and f…

> in the next 5 years I will not hold my breath. I tested the first (admittedly rudimentary) HMDs in the mid 1990s. VR was f-ing hot back in the days among those of us interested in "computer graphics". According to commentators, VR would have disrupted our lives over the next a few years. Here we are.

The key thing missing at that point was a half-trillion market surrounding the hardware comprising the VR devices. The cellphone industry is going to continue to plow ahead no matter what happens with the popularity of VR so no matter what displays are going to get better, mobile processors more powerful, energy efficient and smaller, networking will speed up, and hand-face-eye tracking will get better.

The only necessary tech that isn't driven by a large existing market are lenses. That's a pretty good deal for VR hardware, you just have to focus R&D money on one area while getting the rest practically for free (yes I know a lot of work goes into integrating those other components but it's nowhere near the same as having to develop the tech in the first place).

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by altacc »

o_m wrote: post #171
0_throwaway_000 wrote: post #29

Did they need to change my mouse cursor to show me their product? That really confused me.

You are probably not the target audience if that confuses you. Modern "zoomer" design takes a lot of inspiration from geocities and the webdesign that was popular before they were born.

I knew keeping all my old dHTML scripts from the 00s would pay off eventually!

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by throwaway4aday »

graeme wrote: post #141
deltree7 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been literally playing Cricket VR for 4 hours everyday since X-Mas. For someone who played college-level cricket, this is a dream come true for me and the sensation of hitting the ball in the middle of the bat is mind blowing. But, here's the kicker. In real world, If I had play 120 pitches (baseball equivalent), I'd have to wait for 4 hours. In VR it could be done in 30 minutes. I've already lost 7 pounds and f…

They argued VR total immersion is a niche case. I’m not sure you’re rebutting them? Most people can’t exercise for four hours a day while ignoring their environment, effectively outside of their home. Whereas if you had glasses that let you do AR thing, you could do that while keeping an eye on your kids or on what you’re cooking or while doing some chores or while brushing your teeth etc What you described sounds ve…

I think this argument against VR stems from a misunderstanding of what VR is competing with or excelling at. VR is not your mobile phone. Repeat it with me, VR is not your mobile phone! You will not play bejewelled on the train in VR, you will not check your email while waiting for the kettle in VR, you will not doom scroll Twitter when you're lying in bed in VR. Those things, as you correctly identified, belong to the realm of AR. VR is not AR, they are two completely different types of technology, markets, use cases, etc.

The V in VR is there for a reason, the virtualization of experience is the core principle. The person you are replying to is using it to virtualize Cricket. It is replacing a real Cricket game with a virtual one. This has value because, I'm guessing, they haven't been able to play Cricket for a long time due to some set of constraints in their life. VR makes this former pastime available to them again because they don't have to leave their home, they don't need to buy or rent equipment (other than the headset and game), they don't need to find a local group, they don't need to schedule their time around a set date. All they have to do is put the headset on and jump in a match. Think hard about these differences. Ask yourself, what does it remind you of? Where has this happened before?

Re: HoloKit relaunched, $129 AR Headset accessory for iPhone

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Post by dymk »

dvh wrote: post #145
system2 wrote: post #72

Make it $29 I'd give it a try. From the looks of it, HoloKit is just a piece of plastic with optics and some app designed for its use.

You can buy $8 VR goggles on AliExpress.

I can get novelty glasses that make a Santa shaped halo around lights for $1
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