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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by watwut »

seanw444 wrote: post #56
jaywalk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's total private tyranny if the person who started the subreddit chooses to keep it that way. But if Reddit (the company) doesn't like the way you're running your sub, they can and will replace the people in charge.

That's kind of bizarre to me. They act like they're firing employees, and replacing someone for that role, when they're just random volunteers to a community set up by a person unaffiliated with Reddit.

The issue here is stuff like brigading and stuff against the terms of service like straigh out nazism etc. And even those subs stay long often.

Brigading is when members of sub coordinate and go to harass people on different sub or mass downvote their posts etc. The subs that have been closed or taken over were notorious for that.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by greggarious »

richbell wrote: post #14
benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

"Power" moderators, that is people who moderate a large number of subreddits, are untenable. It is not possible to effectively or fairly moderate dozens of communities, even if you were to spend all your waking moments doing so. This is, in part, why it's so common for popular submissions to be locked or deleted because "y'all can't behave". The people that do so are largely doing it for their own self-gain (e.g., se…

>"Power" moderators, that is people who moderate a large number of subreddits, are untenable.

At least you know it's just one person, spread across multiple contexts.

I had a string of unusual behaviors when I ran /u/dontbenebby, culminating in being involuntarily being made the moderator of several Snapchat related subreddits around the time that Reddit let you view analytics and things I was posting were getting six or seven figure views as I dodged literal assassination attempts every time I tried to take a peaceful walk in the woods.

For context, I was (in)famous for not logging IPs, or even numbers of pageviews as far back as when I dropped that Facebook zero day on my blog and virtually planted myself in the middle of the protests against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and then went on to lecture class full of CMU students they should use strong anonymity tools and careful opsec if organizing protests in oppressive regimes like Tehran or Times Square as I threw up an image of a dead protester on the screen.

I meant what I said then, and I mean it now.

And maybe I spoke offline with whoever made me the moderator of a subreddit I never visited, for an application I have never used? In that case, let's share it with the whole class the three core points my art was intended to drive home:

1.) They are going to nuke Penn Quarter, not Pittsburgh.

2.) It is not my problem if you drop dead of a heart attack because you fucked around and found out.

3.) I am an alumni -- that means I can do whatever I want.

Anyways, I'm off to read a book and "do email".

Cheers!!

- Greg.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Adraghast »

kazinator wrote: post #126

I'm not saying I agree with the actions of the mods, but there is a grain of truth in the "way of the world" remark. Human artists who are just highly skilled executors of bad taste are going to be decimated by AI.

Which is why, despite my distaste for DALL-E and its ilk, I’m not at all moved by the anguish over it rendering artists obsolete.

Stuff like this never had any artistic value in the first place, so it makes perfect sense to me that a bot would create it rather than a person.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by tines »

MrNeon wrote: post #167
danogentili wrote: post #147

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This stupid argument gets thrown around so much it's become really annoying, what really matters in art is the process, not the result; intent, not content. A model randomly remixing human works to reach an approximated result that matches a few words inserted by a human cannot be put on the same plane as a human expressing a concept or inner feelings using knowledge he acquired by looking at other works. When I look…

> what really matters in art is the process You don't get to define what is art. Art can and does move people who have absolutely no idea of what the process to create it was. You have your way to experience art, it isn't the only way. In fact you have a limited ability to learn about the process, how much of it are you making up in your head?

When the flush of a newborn sun fell first on Eden's green and gold,

Our father Adam sat under the Tree and scratched with a stick in the mold;

And the first rude sketch that the world had seen was joy to his mighty heart,

Till the Devil whispered behind the leaves: "It's pretty, but is it Art?"

- Rudyard Kipling

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Manuel_D wrote: post #99
tester457 wrote: post #78

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Still, people did not consent to their art to be trained on. Just like how it is a bad idea to train github copilot on copyrighted code, or how the same company that made Stable Diffusion promised that they will not use copyrighted music for training (because they're scared of the music industry), copyrighted art should not be used on training sets without permission. This is going to cause a lawsuit somewhere down t…

Do people need to consent for other artists to use their work as references when painting? That seems pretty analogous to training an AI on a corpus of artwork.

It's generally not gone over well when it's discovered that an artist has been copying composition, poses, etc from pre-existing work of the same type. Manga and comic artists for example have had their careers derailed over it.

Stylistic mimicry is more murky, partially because humans aren't as good at cloning styles — inevitably the clone will take on some influence from the one doing the copying, which isn't true of AI. If you ask the AI to draw X in the style of Y artist, it's going to be a dead-on copy of Y artist's style.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by ilaksh »

ilyt wrote: post #143
ilaksh wrote: post #121

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I was a moderator for r/robots for awhile. I even spent a few hundred dollars hiring an artist to create a theme. I begged them to help me pin down what the subreddit was about since the submissions were all over the place, and some people seemed to think it was for a certain type of robot content and others a different type. Most ignored the question. I tried to share articles and videos of actual leading edge robot…

Good for them. You obviously wanted something else than the actual users.

They wanted the clickbait and trash.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by traverseda »

richbell wrote: post #182
traverseda wrote: post #113

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I'd say that's a feature, not a bug. I've done it. In my particular case shortly after the beginning of covid some mods wanted to ban all discussion of hobbyist medical 3D printing, things like 3D printed masks and even those Prusa face shields. I didn't think that we had the expertise to be the judges of truth in that area (it was during those few weeks where the governmentwas saying "don't use masks", and these mod…

> I'd say that's a feature, not a bug. I've done it. Arguably, what right do you have to decide the direction of a subreddit you have never actually contributed to? It's like an absentee parent returning after a decade and immediately trying to enact major changes in your life because "I'm your father". There have been countless controversies of useless "head mods" returning and doing just that. WSB comes to mind, bu…

I find that mods who are heavily invested in a community tend to be worse, doing things like getting into arguments with users and then banning them. Obviously you mileage may vary, but most of the times I've seen this happen it's been used to kneecap mods I'd consider to be "power tripping". /r/linux is another example.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by jfk13 »

alar44 wrote: post #47
geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

Nothing is being copied. If you understand how AI models work you'd realize that's impossible considering the model is a few GB. How could every piece of artwork be in there? It's not a database lookup.

But can you seriously deny that everything the model generates is a derivative of the inputs? And if it's a derived work, it might not constitute "fair use" of the input materials. That depends on.... well, I'm not a copyright lawyer, so I won't attempt to specify, but I don't think we have any clear answers yet.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by blendergeek »

purpleblue wrote: post #157
flumpcakes wrote: post #141

Speaking on the topic of Reddit and mods and it's power structure: In the UK Reddit has pushed a new subreddit called "HeyUK". It has turned up in the subscription feeds for some (all?) UK users automatically without the user asking for it or adding it. If you remove it from your list of subreddits the posts will still show up in your feed as "sponsored". As far as I can see this new subreddit is seeded with just cro…

The beauty of reddit is that you can create your own subreddit with your own mods and have the discourse that you want. You're not held to just sticking with the subreddits that are given to you.

What the parent is pointing out is that Reddit choosing subreddits for people to subscribe. Sure, I can "create the subreddit with [my] own mods and have the discourse that [I] want". But nobody will see it because everybody is automatically added to the subreddits that Reddit chooses.
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