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Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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I have a blog post that I've been sketching out in my head about this whole area of Tools for Thought, future of computing, cybernetics, etc. Basically I find that the thoughtleaders of this space seem to always claim that the true manifestation of their ideas is just out of reach (Project Xanadu, memex, object oriented programming, etc.), but then never deliver this true manifestation. Indeed it's rather remarkable…

You make some good points in here, but I don't think it's the full story.

From my perspective (first eng at Notion), I think what the sales pitch that really captures people's imagination is these situations where "the whole is equal to more than the sum of it's parts". That's what Engelbart and Kay really demonstrated with their work. It preys on the Gambler's fallacy too, just like AI: building something hoping for an unexpected outsized reward.

Where these inspirations start to fall flat is when you start focusing on solving an actual problem. Notion, for example, didn't really solve any specific problems in the beginning that didn't already have a solution available. Most people are interested in solving a problem so they can move on and never return to it. They don't bother to sharpen their axe if they only have one tree to chop down, so they just get the job done and move on.

But what about the one person who tirelessly sharpens their axe so they can chop down a tree in one swipe? What is actually motivating this person to spend all of this effort just to chop down a single tree? Maybe this isn't the perfect analogy, but my point is that many of these ideas start out more like an art project than a startup company. Because too much focus on solving a problem leads "good enough is the enemy of great".

Going from art project to actual product requires a lot more work that people tend to realize. And in my experience, that process tends to siphon away a lot of inspirational energy. At least, this has been my personal experience. Having left Notion almost 2 years ago, I've been finding it hard to motivate myself to build another sausage factory.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Didn’t he cut his ear off after fighting with his roommate

His roommate the successful artist Paul Gauguin? Tried to borrow Sunflowers but “Van Gogh was upset and replied that Gauguin had absolutely no right to make this request: "I am definitely keeping my sunflowers in question. He has two of them already, let that hold him. And if he is not satisfied with the exchange he has made with me, he can take back his little Martinique canvas, and his self-portrait sent me from Br…

Yes this! Thank you for confirming it, remembered learning it at a museum in Paris

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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I have a blog post that I've been sketching out in my head about this whole area of Tools for Thought, future of computing, cybernetics, etc. Basically I find that the thoughtleaders of this space seem to always claim that the true manifestation of their ideas is just out of reach (Project Xanadu, memex, object oriented programming, etc.), but then never deliver this true manifestation. Indeed it's rather remarkable…

You make some good points in here, but I don't think it's the full story. From my perspective (first eng at Notion), I think what the sales pitch that really captures people's imagination is these situations where "the whole is equal to more than the sum of it's parts". That's what Engelbart and Kay really demonstrated with their work. It preys on the Gambler's fallacy too, just like AI: building something hoping for…

This sounds like the linked post: some people build the game engine, others build the game.

I think what happens is that people use a tool and they find a flaw, and they come up with an idea which will not have it. They build it, great! But then their tool also has flaws, due to things they didn't predict or trade offs - to make one part more elegant, maybe another part must suffer.

I feel often the most productive is to live with the flaws and do incremental improvements to reduce them. Creating a whole new tool is often futile - unless it's revolutionary, adopting won't be great, or won't boost your productivity that much to account for the time you sank building it.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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I think the issue is not about tools for thoughts but how to apply tools for thoughts where the burden of signal vs noise of ideas or knowledge a seeker hopes to find in "somebody's vault of knowledge/ thoughts and not slip into a rabbit hole(time-sink) of "noisy conspiracy theories". a layer or a search engine to qualify the knowledge vault worth the time to invest to check out the signal most likely to fit or add to the area being explored by the seeker. Just like a bot scanning galaxies for matching m class planets as candidates for exploration, a bot to scan accessible vaults of knowledge or threads of thoughts. For application in case laws, it would be a valuable citation tool.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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I have a blog post that I've been sketching out in my head about this whole area of Tools for Thought, future of computing, cybernetics, etc. Basically I find that the thoughtleaders of this space seem to always claim that the true manifestation of their ideas is just out of reach (Project Xanadu, memex, object oriented programming, etc.), but then never deliver this true manifestation. Indeed it's rather remarkable…

You might have just stumbled upon the Ozic secret of the Silicon Valley. Most of the guys who have made it rich so far did so on the ideas of others (while those who had grand ideas didn’t ship them). When a core tenet is making things other people want, you tend to uplift folks who have no great thoughts of their own to sell. I can imagine an Orwellian doublespeakessay on Steve Jobs called, “Saying No As The Only Ac…

> PS: Was reading some Thiel approved Girard today, he mentioned something about the nihilism in society in which the secret of success being all about signaling success.

I'm curious to know the source/reference. Thanks!

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#196

I have a blog post that I've been sketching out in my head about this whole area of Tools for Thought, future of computing, cybernetics, etc. Basically I find that the thoughtleaders of this space seem to always claim that the true manifestation of their ideas is just out of reach (Project Xanadu, memex, object oriented programming, etc.), but then never deliver this true manifestation. Indeed it's rather remarkable…

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Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#197

I have a blog post that I've been sketching out in my head about this whole area of Tools for Thought, future of computing, cybernetics, etc. Basically I find that the thoughtleaders of this space seem to always claim that the true manifestation of their ideas is just out of reach (Project Xanadu, memex, object oriented programming, etc.), but then never deliver this true manifestation. Indeed it's rather remarkable…

> Indeed it's rather remarkable how many of these figures like Vannevar Bush, Alan Kay, Douglas Engelbart, etc., never actually shipped much.

Your beliefs about what a researcher ought to "ship" and what researchers are actually responsible for delivering are definitely at odds.

> But they are fundamentally salesmen

Even speaking colloquially that statement represents a major misunderstanding of what a researcher (or a salesman?) is responsible for.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Photos are a good example of why a filesystem hierarchy is insufficiently expressive. You might want to search for pictures of me at parties, or pictures with me and my wife, or pictures from 1999, or pictures of LA, and the same photo might belong in all of those searches. No single category will ever be a good place for a photo.

This is what I want machine learning and face recognition for. Problems local to my machine, not Orwellian nightmares.

Adobe Lightroom has it. Unfortunately it is quite expensive for the casual photographer.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Real Artists Ship.

+1! The danger of not shipping is not that it allows you to demand purity of vision, but that it completely removes any user feedback mechanism. And no one, no matter how brilliant, is right about 100% of things, 100% of the time. Reality is simply too complex. Real Artists Ship. Truly Great Artists Ship, Listen, and Adapt.

> Truly Great Artists Ship, Listen, and Adapt.

Many great artists, think painters, couldn't care less whether other people liked their works or not.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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> Pointlessness of Organization: my Calibre and Zotero libraries are a mess. But is that bad? Is there any point to organizing them? I can always find what I need, either by searching or browsing, because I have a spatial sense of where each book is in Calibre’s big grid view. If I went through everything in Calibre and Zotero, and fixed the titles, added missing authors, publishers, publication years, fixed the cove…

As a heavy user of TfTs (and one who finds immense value in them as a personalized reference guide more than anything else), I've come to a similar conclusion. If search is good, not much else matters (the bad search in Roam was one of many things that led me to leave it). I'm not exploring my own notes for fun, I'm digging through them for something actionable and usually have a vague idea of what I'm looking for. Linking, tags, and other organizational tactics (even just a directory scheme) are only there to assist that.

Anything more than that is a recipe for burnout - and I've definitely been there.

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