Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

Post by gernb » Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 12:54 AM UTC

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> in the winter, as we go inside and the air becomes cool and dry, respiratory infections go up. This winter is the cause the please explain Japan which had it's biggest spikes in summer

They didn't . They're having a big spike, right now [1]. It's going to end up being bigger than the summer wave. They had a big spike last winter, too, but they weren't testing as much then. Comparing the absolute magnitude of these spikes is fraught, because they depend on the number of tests being conducted , (which was rapidly increasing over the course of last year), as well as the many other behavioral changes t…

Post by asiachick » Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 1:12 AM UTC

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Being sick two weeks is a very clear cost. Less clear are the long-term costs associated with long-covid. How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a mask most of the time when in public?

> How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a mask most of the time when in public? I tried it for a year and it's dehumanizing. Not sure how you'd rate that vs the unknown chance of long covid but I've made my choice.

Post by fnordpiglet » Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 1:41 AM UTC

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To be clear, hospitals being "overwhelmed", i.e. their capacity, is a function related to personnel. When our state (WA) fired thousands of healthcare workers for not getting an experimental vaccine that few of them needed (natural immunity is a thing, as much as Big Pharma would like to suppress it), our capacity decreased because we lost nurses. It doesn't necessarily mean that _no beds are available_.

I am a medical resident working in WA state, just spent a month in the ICU, can confirm the shortages are primarily nurse based, not bed based. Also note that while I saw several influenza cases in the icu, I didn't see any covid.

Post by Diederich » Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 1:57 AM UTC

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How would you compare these cited risks associated with mask wear with the risks associated with more likely C19 infections, and perhaps more important with the emergent recognition of risks associated with long covid? My wife works with long covid people most of the day every day. Included are young, healthy, active, fully vaccinated people who can hardly walk up a flight of stairs...six months after a very mild C19…

In which case, get vaccinated, and wear a mask yourself, if that concerns you. For those of us who have had COVID and recovered quickly (like myself, in ~2 days), you need to convince me that my mask-wearing protects anyone else, when they can wear masks themselves if they are so inclined. Even then, with 58% of COVID hospitalizations being vaccinated, and over 82% of the nation having had COVID at some point (accord…

Post by 2-718-281-828 » Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 3:33 AM UTC

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Being killed by a falling brick is a very clear cost. How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a hard hat most of the time when in public? Talking about cost without normalizing for probability of prevention is meaningless yet you want to frame the discussion to be purely about (low) cost of wearing masks. We had a year of a pretty tough lockdown, most people wearing masks, distancing in grocery s…

> Being killed by a falling brick is a very clear cost. > How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a hard hat most of the time when in public? But wait, that's a very different question. The original comment was "I'd rather be sick for 2 weeks than wear a mask every day." You're not saying that you'd rather be killed by a falling brick than wear a hardhat every day, surely.