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Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by coder543 »

soperj wrote: post #189
coder543 wrote: post #99

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Why are you comparing phones from 2015 and 2013 to Apple marketing from 2010? The competition absolutely did catch up eventually. And if the Sharp ISO3 is the best example you can come up with from 2010, then I disagree with your claim entirely. A single, low volume halo device is not comparable to a mainstream device that sold in the millions. The 2010 Galaxy S had a 233 PPI display compared to the 326 PPI that Appl…

Why do you call them Apple Retina displays when they were made by LG?

That is a pointless question. Why do you call them Apple iPhones when they’re made by Foxconn?

Apple has not made displays in decades, if ever. They still contract the design to meet their specifications, and then market and sell those displays that they were involved with. That makes them Apple displays for marketing purposes.

These days, Apple sources displays from multiple manufacturers, but they end up being nearly indistinguishable because Apple was deeply involved in the design and manufacture.

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Post by arrosenberg »

Izkata wrote: post #158
sofixa wrote: post #133

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> What types of Arms? Does a tank fit in an Arm? What about a kamikaze drone? This was written in an era of mercenary warships (see: "privateer"), so yeah, as written it includes all of that.

Privateers generally had a letter of marque from an actual government, otherwise they were just pirates. If gun owners need to get a letter of marque from their state government to own arms, I think the gun control people would be on board...

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by entropie »

kaapipo wrote: post #129
entropie wrote: post #83

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Simple solution. Don't open instagram.

And how is this helpful? Is this a solution? What if the app-in-question was a different one? Not using Instagram at that would be very helpful, indeed...

I don't understand. There are webpages/apps that track you and now you have to accept that they track you before using it. That has nothing to do with instagram - if I don't want to be tracked, I don't use the software. Right? Simple solution.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by cramjabsyn »

johndhi wrote: post #162

This is a crazy way of making laws, IMO. To recap: a law was put in place 5 years ago that said if you get consent you can basically use data in any way, with some very vague and general language about how consent can be gathered and what it means. Meanwhile, Facebook has invested billions of dollars in building and developing a platform according to their fair reading of that law. Then, some random guy says he doesn…

On the contrary, it’s actually quite refreshing to see law that patches a loophole which was being exploited by a data mining company to enrich itself.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by snotrockets »

johndhi wrote: post #162

This is a crazy way of making laws, IMO. To recap: a law was put in place 5 years ago that said if you get consent you can basically use data in any way, with some very vague and general language about how consent can be gathered and what it means. Meanwhile, Facebook has invested billions of dollars in building and developing a platform according to their fair reading of that law. Then, some random guy says he doesn…

Facebook interest is being ambiguously regulated. So no, you can't have fruitful discussion with them.

History shows us the regulator always comes after the original culprits exploited what they could, never before.

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Post by RubyRidgeRandy »

halestock wrote: post #178
johndhi wrote: post #162

This is a crazy way of making laws, IMO. To recap: a law was put in place 5 years ago that said if you get consent you can basically use data in any way, with some very vague and general language about how consent can be gathered and what it means. Meanwhile, Facebook has invested billions of dollars in building and developing a platform according to their fair reading of that law. Then, some random guy says he doesn…

> No regulator has had the idea of just going to Facebook, having a real conversation about what they're doing, then talked about it with ethics professionals and researchers and tried to draft a forward-looking law that will make the whole system better? This would never work because Facebook is uninterested in making "the whole system better". Their entire goal is to make money off of user data, and they have zero…

on the contrary, I think facebook and google have a huge incentive to work with different governing bodies to define what data is ok to collect and build identifiers around, and what is not. There is no way facebook would just throw up it's hands and say "we have no incentive to find a way to advertise to a population of 750 million people."

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #181
johndhi wrote: post #162

This is a crazy way of making laws, IMO. To recap: a law was put in place 5 years ago that said if you get consent you can basically use data in any way, with some very vague and general language about how consent can be gathered and what it means. Meanwhile, Facebook has invested billions of dollars in building and developing a platform according to their fair reading of that law. Then, some random guy says he doesn…

I'm impressed both by your outrage at requiring free, informed consent for tracking and personalized ads as well as this change resulting in "all of those billions [going to waste]". To me it means one of two possibilities: 1. Facebook is incompetent, not only did it spend billions developing lackluster practices that don't fit the spirit of the GDPR but that money also instantly disappears because they are apparentl…

Well, I am not certain FB tells users exactly the extent to which their online persona is being profiled. We have relatively vague lawyer talk for 'more targeted ads', but it does not tell you that FB identifies as a prime target for ads that would feature, say, a suffering animal. For the record, I am making it up, but inferences taken from massive amounts of posts people make daily make it highly unlikely that a detailed and thorough psychological profile that would normally require years of visiting an actual psychiatrist are now very much a possibility.

And the only official indication of this we have comes from various FB court cases, but those being 1000s of pages of useful information is not an average person will go through, let alone understand. I forgot which company tried to shed some light on it with ads that used that info indicating to ad viewing person that "you are an X who likes Y". They got shot down fast.

I guess my point is.. it may be consensual in the sense that user agreed, but did the user truly understood what he/she agreed to, is something I would argue against.

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Post by kryptozinc »

johndhi wrote: post #162

This is a crazy way of making laws, IMO. To recap: a law was put in place 5 years ago that said if you get consent you can basically use data in any way, with some very vague and general language about how consent can be gathered and what it means. Meanwhile, Facebook has invested billions of dollars in building and developing a platform according to their fair reading of that law. Then, some random guy says he doesn…

Oh no, will someone think of the poor companies!

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Post by dang »

seanw444 wrote: post #100
wackget wrote: post #84

> The EU decision will not have direct consequences for users, unfortunately, as it can be appealed to. Such an appeal would lead to a lengthy judicial process. So companies can flout the law for years, making massive profits, and continue to do so for as long as they can string along an appeal process? Seems like a pretty nice loophole.

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