The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

Post by i_am_proteus » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 12:18 AM UTC

nvrspyx wrote: post #154

i_am_proteus wrote: post #73

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There is no such thing as a confounding factor for a correlation. It only matters for causality. I will continue to maintain that, given this evidence amidst the existing evidence that smoking is not good for you, you should not start smoking for reasons related to health risks from the Covid.

> There is no such thing as a confounding factor for a correlation. Sure there is. As an example, let's say there's a positive correlation between the dose of some antidepressant and the probability of suicide. There could be a confounding variable with respect to the severity of depression in those samples such that people with more severe depression are more likely to take larger doses and more likely to commit sui…

Post by chasil » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 12:37 AM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #80

i_am_proteus wrote: post #14

Author compiled a lot of studies on his web log: https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2021/08/smoking-and... The studies do appear to show that smoking cigarettes is correlated with a lower probability of getting the Covid, for a lot of different definitions of "getting the Covid." They also appear to be, by eyeball aggregate, inconclusive as to whether the risk of dying from the Covid is higher or lower for smok…

After being given this information, a reasonable person would conclude that while smoking might decrease their risk of getting COVID, starting a smoking habit (possibly leading to addiction) would mean likely worse health outcomes than just accepting the risk of getting COVID (which can be lowered significantly through much safer means). Unfortunately, there are lot of unreasonable people out there. I would not be su…

Post by j33zusjuice » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 1:16 AM UTC

jiggawatts wrote: post #119

NoPie wrote: post #56

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Equally we have many studies showing that vitamin D helps to reduce risk from covid (hint: it doesn't). More studies show that ivermectin has a positive effect in covid patients. In fact, ivermectin has no effect or has only a very weak effect in certain patients. In medicine observational studies suffer from certain problems that are hard to overcome. The biggest is that the groups are not equal. For example, smoker…

It’s easy to be confidently wrong with statistics. Ivermectin improves outcomes in a hospital setting… but only in developing nations. There’s two confounding effects there! One, you have to be sick enough to be treated in hospital and two, living in a place with high levels of endemic parasite infections. Ivermectin treats parasites. Parasites are helped by the steroids given for severe infections. Treating the para…

Post by robocat » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 1:40 AM UTC

psychphysic wrote: post #171

This is neat I'll have to dig into it. I love this kind of inconvenient result. That said. Why was ivermectin and hydroxy-chloroquinine promoted so aggressively and successfully but not smoking? That's similar to if the moon landing was fake why didn't the Soviets point it out? I believe asthmatics were also not as negatively affected as initially expected. That was put down to them being more likely to shield and us…

  Ladies and gentlemen, it is with a heavy heart that I must report to you that the 1969 moon landing, hailed as one of the greatest achievements of the United States of America, was in fact a masterful deception.

  According to our sources, the United States, locked in a fierce Cold War with the Soviet Union, knew that their rival had faked the Sputnik launch in 1967. Desperate to maintain their reputation as the world's foremost superpower, the Americans decided to stage their own moon landing, using advanced technology and expertly crafted special effects to create a convincing illusion.

  But what of the Soviet Union, you ask? Surely they would have exposed this sham for what it truly was, and humiliated their enemy on the global stage. Not so, dear friends. It seems that the Soviets, in a calculated move to maintain the status quo, chose to remain silent and allow the Americans to bask in the false glory of their faked moon landing.

  Why, you may wonder, would the Soviets do such a thing? Our sources reveal that the Soviet Union, though outwardly aggressive and hostile towards the United States, was secretly reeling from a series of internal struggles and economic downturns. They knew that if the truth about the moon landing were to come out, it would not only damage the reputation of the United States, but also undermine the already fragile status of the Soviet Union.

  So, the Soviets remained silent, and the world was left to believe that the United States had achieved the impossible. But now, with this shocking revelation, we must ask ourselves: what other deceptions and lies are lurking just beneath the surface of our seemingly perfect world? Until next time, this is [insert name] signing off.

Post by LanceH » Tue, Dec 06, 2022, 1:55 AM UTC

xphilter wrote: post #186

LanceH wrote: post #54

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> Smoking cover up? Goodness. Let’s assume you’re right and smoking prevents Covid. The answer would be to get everyone to start smoking? The answer isn't to lie to people for their own good, and there was a lot of that going on with regard to Covid.

In what way have there been lies?