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Re: Bye, Twitter

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I've also moved from Twitter to Mastodon, for the same reasons, and have a similar experience - the raw follower count is still a fraction as before, but a lot of interesting people I want to connect with are already there. And the feeling is... very different. There was lots about Twitter that subtly enraged me, like pop-sci Covid takes showing up in my algorithmic feed after I had extremely carefully curated my fol…

The issue I have with mastodon is that it seems to cater to tech people, but there is an entire outside world. https://mxb.dev/blog/the-indieweb-for-everyone/

It's not for regular folks for the time being. Because account creation from joinmastodon.org is such a mess. Try it out. Click create account, and then what? It's hopeless for regular folks.

If main server mastodon.social could handle masses it would be much simpler experience.

Tech people are patient and adopt it first. Mastodon needs a new way to join, a main server that can handle huge masses.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Is it the troll part, or the alt-right part that you disagree with? He certainly seems like a troll to me.

He definitely takes joy in pointing out incongruencies. Troll is an offensive term.

Offensive, maybe. But you had said it was unfair.

When someone behaves like an asshole, and I call them an asshole that is offensive, but may still be fair.

Obviously it’s a subjective opinion so we don’t have to agree, but to me it seems entirely fair and accurate to describe Elon Musk as a troll.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Not exactly fair in the extremism on both sides. If you don't know about or consider alternate viewpoints could you really have productive discourse with a person that aligns with those viewpoints? Most people that you'd meet or talk to that may disagree on LGBTQ aren't extremist, they are more along the lines of "a children's cartoon about dinosaurs shouldn't have multiple lesbian make out scenes" or "Disney is indo…

> could you really have productive discourse with a person that aligns with those viewpoints? There is no discourse you can have with a person who believes that LGBTQ+ people have fewer rights than others. > "a children's cartoon about dinosaurs shouldn't have multiple lesbian make out scenes" Now that I would like to see. Which one was it? > "Disney is indoctrinating children" There's no discourse you can have with…

> Which one was it?

Towards the end of the last season of Camp Crustaceous. To be fair, there are intense (for a cartoon aimed at kids) romantic scenes between a straight couple as well.

> There's no discourse you can have with someone claiming such a bizarre viewpoint.

Eh, not that bizarre. It's not hard to image people could make the leap from "Disney has a gay agenda" (some Disney producer did an interview stating that leadership welcomes her gay agenda and that she tries to put queerness wherever she can) to "Disney wants to indoctrinate children".

The extremist are loud and annoying, but they aren't the majority.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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> it's good to know about and consider dissenting opinions There's dissenting opinions like "I like team A" vs "I like team B" and then there's dissenting opinions like "I think LGBTQ+ people should have rights" vs "I think LGBTQ+ people should be rounded up / banned from public / have no rights".

Not exactly fair in the extremism on both sides. If you don't know about or consider alternate viewpoints could you really have productive discourse with a person that aligns with those viewpoints? Most people that you'd meet or talk to that may disagree on LGBTQ aren't extremist, they are more along the lines of "a children's cartoon about dinosaurs shouldn't have multiple lesbian make out scenes" or "Disney is indo…

I'm curious which parts of the above is deserving of downvotes?

Re: Bye, Twitter

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Andy Ngo does nothing but post videos of innocent people being swarmed and attacked by violent mobs and tries to get them justice. He is fighting against actual fascism.

He selectively edits his videos to make it look like one side starts the fighting, and only shows misbehavior by the anti-fascists, never the other side. He's a propagandist cosplaying as a journalist.

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Re: Bye, Twitter

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> could you really have productive discourse with a person that aligns with those viewpoints? There is no discourse you can have with a person who believes that LGBTQ+ people have fewer rights than others. > "a children's cartoon about dinosaurs shouldn't have multiple lesbian make out scenes" Now that I would like to see. Which one was it? > "Disney is indoctrinating children" There's no discourse you can have with…

> Which one was it? Towards the end of the last season of Camp Crustaceous. To be fair, there are intense (for a cartoon aimed at kids) romantic scenes between a straight couple as well. > There's no discourse you can have with someone claiming such a bizarre viewpoint. Eh, not that bizarre. It's not hard to image people could make the leap from "Disney has a gay agenda" (some Disney producer did an interview stating…

> Towards the end of the last season of Camp Crustaceous.

Best I can find, there's one brief lesbian kiss right at the end of the last season - which also featured a straight relationship with kissing - in a TV-PG rated show that seems to have made everyone lose their damned minds.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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> Which one was it? Towards the end of the last season of Camp Crustaceous. To be fair, there are intense (for a cartoon aimed at kids) romantic scenes between a straight couple as well. > There's no discourse you can have with someone claiming such a bizarre viewpoint. Eh, not that bizarre. It's not hard to image people could make the leap from "Disney has a gay agenda" (some Disney producer did an interview stating…

> Towards the end of the last season of Camp Crustaceous. Best I can find, there's one brief lesbian kiss right at the end of the last season - which also featured a straight relationship with kissing - in a TV-PG rated show that seems to have made everyone lose their damned minds.

Yeah, in a show about friends surviving dinosaurs it really didn't make sense for the last 5 or so episodes to be about 20% dedicated to a romantic relationship (LGBTQ or not). There's a fan version of the show out there that omits the romantic parts of the final season (the straight romance, too) and the final episodes are all like 5 minutes shorter.

It's a really fun show overall, even for adults. Highly recommend, though I now let parents I recommend it to know, that in addition to people getting eaten alive and nightmarish mutant dinosaurs chasing kids, there's some kissing and an out-of-the-blue forced teen lesbian relationship. I have a feeling that won't land well on HN, but in person every parent I explain that to is understanding and thankful for the heads up.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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post #118

I've also moved from Twitter to Mastodon, for the same reasons, and have a similar experience - the raw follower count is still a fraction as before, but a lot of interesting people I want to connect with are already there. And the feeling is... very different. There was lots about Twitter that subtly enraged me, like pop-sci Covid takes showing up in my algorithmic feed after I had extremely carefully curated my fol…

The issue I have with mastodon is that it seems to cater to tech people, but there is an entire outside world. https://mxb.dev/blog/the-indieweb-for-everyone/

There's a thriving community for several communities beyond just tech - people who want to rekindle some of the community they found on twitter.

I'm on med-mastodon (healthcare workers and researchers) and the server has several thousand people.

Re: Bye, Twitter

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post #118

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The issue I have with mastodon is that it seems to cater to tech people, but there is an entire outside world. https://mxb.dev/blog/the-indieweb-for-everyone/

It's not for regular folks for the time being. Because account creation from joinmastodon.org is such a mess. Try it out. Click create account, and then what? It's hopeless for regular folks. If main server mastodon.social could handle masses it would be much simpler experience. Tech people are patient and adopt it first. Mastodon needs a new way to join, a main server that can handle huge masses.

This, I don't get why they decided to create the fragmented UX like this.
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