Personally… gnome is where it’s at. Much better keyboard driven workflow than any other environment
KDE beats macOS
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Re: KDE beats macOS
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really agree. The really interesting part of intuitiveness is how it scales once you became familiar with the basic set of UX primitives. At least from my experience with ~15 years of mac, ~15 years of on-and-off linux and windows, macOS has remained more consistent, because the primitives are much more universal. Take, for example copying. You can alt-drag a surprising number of things across many different…
> I don't really agree. The really interesting part of intuitiveness is how it scales once you became familiar with the basic set of UX primitives. Is intuitiveness the right word? I make the same arguments about Vim, that it's one of the most logically consistent editors once you learn the basic set of primitives (not perfect of course). But I don't think anyone would call it intuitive. > Take, for example copying.…
> Is intuitiveness the right word? I make the same arguments about Vim, that it's one of the most logically consistent editors once you learn the basic set of primitives (not perfect of course). But I don't think anyone would call it intuitive.
As far as I know, VI is actually an acronym that stands for Very Intuitive
Re: KDE beats macOS
#193> I recently quit a job that made me use a Mac after less than 3 months, and I'm not even kidding, that was part of why.
Imagine quitting your job over an operating system.
Re: KDE beats macOS
#194How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…
Agreed one hundred percent. Why extremely biased rant from specific DE subreddit (also biased) gets so many upvotes? Who cares?
My additions:
* Poor to non-existing window tiling (at least Rectangle has very good defaults and works well)
There are apps for that, like writer mentioned - so what's the problem? I'd argue that using Expose, Mission Control, Multiple desktops and controlling them with touchpad swipes is faster, more convenient, more intuitive and flexible than tilling window management, but it's personal biased opinion, just like the writer's.
* Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching)
I either don't understand the problem or what's wrong with `cmd-tab` for app switching and `cmd-~` for app window switching.
* Finder keyboard shortcuts not shown in context menu (makes them far less discoverable)
Most, if not all, apps have their keyboard shortcuts shown in the menu bar next to menu bar items.
* Lack of native clipboard
To be fair - I am intrigued what does writer mean with `native clipboard`? Some sort of built-in app for clipboard management?
* Finder's weird shortcuts for rename vs open file (no way to open a file with keyboard?)
`cmd-o` to open, `enter/return` to rename, `space` to quick look. Just because OP is not used to different shortcuts - does not mean it's weird. Also many shortcuts are very consistent throughout whole system and throughout different apps.
After writing all this - I feel like I fell for the troll [0], but will leave my opinions as it may help for other Macos beginners. IMHO it's just a thing of muscle memory and learned workflows.
[0] I think it's trolling, because clearly he/she haven't read anything about Macos, because there are plenty of sources (even official ones) for first time Macos users. Something like hiding menu bar and/or dock are the most easiest things that you can do while skimming through `System preferences` on your own. Original writer seemingly opened Macbook for a first time, it didn't work same as KDE so he/she decided to rant about it on reddit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: KDE beats macOS
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
For context: I'd been a "linux person" since undergrad (mid-90s). I picked up a really early Android model after my BlackBerry expired. I have almost the exact opposite experience as you describe: I switched from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago for two reasons: 1) my Google phones (I had a pixel at the time: previously had written it was a Nexus, but it was not) kept bricking; 2) I got an old model iPhone (it…
I am glad that you are content with iPhone, and that it works for you. - It's what really matters. But I just want to point out that the latest nexus phone is from 2015 and iPhone 8 was released in 2017.
You're right: it was the next line after Nexus, Pixel, that I had. I edited my original comment.
Re: KDE beats macOS
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being usable out of the box? With KDE I don't need to go find a 3rd party app for decent window snapping, I don't need a 3rd party app to put files on my Android phone over USB, I don't need a 3rd party app to have the trackpad and scroll wheel mouse directions be "natural" and "unnatural" at the same time, I don't need a 3rd party app to be able to use the volume buttons to change the volume level of a sound device…
Let me explain why the window snapping thing is a problem. https://patents.google.com/patent/US9239667B2/en?q=window+si... It's such a dumb complaint. OSS is just infringing the patent, that's it. That is why no other commercial OS has it out of the box. As for the rest, sure...but like a lot of them are just silly complaints. Android uses Microsoft's PNP connectivity for data transfer. Once again...OSS.. The Scroll…
So paid commercial apps like Better Touch Tool that implement snapping are also infringing?
MS developed MTP but at this point it's a part of the USB standard. Many Android devices lack exFAT support but do support MTP which suggests to me it's not patent encumbered. Google has an app for Mac OS too, so no it's not just OSS once again. It's more like Apple deliberately knee-capping non-iPhones to steer users towards iPhones.
Windows 11 includes a package manager, winget.
Re: KDE beats macOS
#197Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…
The most intuitive UI that I have ever used is Intuition on the Amiga. It's in the name, after all
Re: KDE beats macOS
#198How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…
> How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes?
By being on kde subreddit. Obviously the post is preaching to the choir there.
Re: KDE beats macOS
#199The article seems ignorant of native tools built right into macOS. For example, it claims macOS is missing: > Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching) This is simply false, and the whole list is by someone who just hasn't made an effort to learn how to use a new OS they are not familiar with. For example, I just use Command-tilda, two keys right next to each other, to switch be…
What keyboard combination do you use to switch between all windows of all apps in one single UI? (Note: that keyboard combination should also make sense on ISO keyboards and be available without third-party apps)
There are a few other options for doing that -- the two that come to mind: if both hands are on the keyboard, the standard Command-Tab combined with the down arrow key allow you to cycle through both apps and windows of a single app. Better though, a simple three-finger swipe up on the trackpad show all windows as thumbnails for easily getting to the window you want from any app. I use the latter constantly, saves time if you have a lot of open windows as you don't have to cycle among them all to get the one you need.
Re: KDE beats macOS
#200I agree. After using both for a long time, I have to say KDE is less painful and faster in operation. MacOS has a lot of inconsistent or weird keyboard shortcuts. There's no proper window management, HDMI volume cannot be controlled, can't launch apps like VSCode or Terminal using keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+ Alt + C and Ctrl + Alt + T. The shell takes like 2 seconds to load when opening terminal. Yes, MacOS is more…
You can always install Quicksilver. It's pretty handy. I've bound it to ctrl-alt-space, and F is enough to launch Firefox, M to launch Mail, I enough to launch iTerm, etc., without creating shortcuts or editing settings. And if you want to launch some application with overlapping initials, type one or two more characters. And it's free.
I installed ZorinOS instead and it's working great now but thanks for the recommendation, I'll give it a try.