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TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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Same holds true for Facebook, YouTube and Instagram.

Youtube is different imho. Lots of quality content, long form, carefully crafted. Many popular creators post infrequently. Not free of trash obviously, but qualitatively different to tiktok’s mind hacking. YT also pays creators better AFAIK.

Youtube also recommends you videos but at least it gives you time to stop and consider what you want to watch next out of the 10 or so recommendations

Tiktok is bam straight onto the next video

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I don't know why, but I hate the tiktok trends and it's spread all over other platforms (eg. "shorts" on youtube). Cooking channel? What was once a 10 minute video with a recipe and all the details is now a reddit-gif style recipe, 30 seconds without any details (eg. how cooked the first ingredient is, when s/he throws in the second, etc.). Tech channel? Yeah, 30 seconds can only be a teaser (=ad) for a full video. M…

I've seen Tiktok described as "what happens when you give the illiterate a platform"

I'm sure hoping this short attention span, no time to think sort of content doesn't become common

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I think TikTok and similar products are garbage and will lower the average IQ, especially of younger generations. I am deeply concerned when I see kids hooked on that crack, because they are burning their potential. It's scary, and if I had one far fetched easy theory to make, I'd say TikTok is a way for China to mitigate the threat coming from the west's upcoming generations, by ensuring their collective capabilitie…

> I'd say TikTok is a way for China to mitigate the threat coming from the west's upcoming generations, by ensuring their collective capabilities are as limited as possible.

I wonder how much the flavour of commentary would change if you swapped "China" with "Israel"...here comes the deep water.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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I was an early creator on TikTok. Had a few viral videos, reached a modest sized audience before quitting cold turkey after feeling "wrong" about hijacking people's attention.

I wrote a very similar piece about TikTok in a book where I felt so fed up with the state of technology addiction (especially my own with smartphone & apps like TikTok). This article covers one component that I find especially interesting:

> This narrow focus enables a “flow state” to open up between the platform and spectator, as attention is entirely channeled to the content at hand.

Using similar theory from Csikszentmihalyi's flow state, TikTok is the middle path between anxiety and boredom. Thus users feel like they're in a constant state of flow because if they see anything that is "boring" or "anxiety" inducing, they can "easily" and in a "capable" fashion scroll to a new video or search for something that does interest them. The personalized infinite scrolling feed concept emphasizes staying in the center by tuning your content preferences for what might be too much of one of these extremes.

This isn't different from previous social media tactics. This explore and exploit technique is used everywhere by say showing you a cute baby video vs. someone violently being attacked. The dopamine or adrenaline you produce keeps you engaged while algorithms are being personalized when you disengage.

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I think TikTok and similar products are garbage and will lower the average IQ, especially of younger generations. I am deeply concerned when I see kids hooked on that crack, because they are burning their potential. It's scary, and if I had one far fetched easy theory to make, I'd say TikTok is a way for China to mitigate the threat coming from the west's upcoming generations, by ensuring their collective capabilitie…

> TikTok (Douyin) also operates in China. No kid is spared. Can’t vouch for the following observation, since I’ve never used either one, but: "In their version of TikTok, if you're under 14 years old, they show you science experiments you can do at home, museum exhibits, patriotism videos and educational videos," said Tristan Harris, co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology. "And they also limit it to only 40 m…

I'd love to have someone verify this. If you type Douyin into YouTube you see the platform contains the same nonsense videos that TikTok has. So we know the content is similar. The question is the experience really different for users under 14. And if so, how is this enforced? If it's a matter of stating your birth date when you sign up then I don't think the restriction means much.

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Most people don't care about privacy issues not because of apathy, but because they have a different sense of privacy than privacy advocates. I believe privacy advocates view private information without nuance, whereas normal people do not. Many people would not care a lick of you could figure out they ate at subway earlier in the day, whereas this is worrying to privacy advocates.

This claim is regularly repeated, but strongly and directly contradicted by literally every study on the topic. Here [1] is one from Pew in late 2019. 81% of Americans believe the potential risks of companies collecting about them outweighs and benefits. 79% are very/somewhat concerned about how the data collected on them is used. The big issue 81% also believe that little or no control over the data collection. Inte…

I don't think my statements and those poll results are at odds. If you look at the phrasing, the personal data in question is never specified. People may be imagining their identity/social security number being the data they are concerned about and not, say, that they were geolocated outside of a kohls.

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Most people don't care about privacy issues not because of apathy, but because they have a different sense of privacy than privacy advocates. I believe privacy advocates view private information without nuance, whereas normal people do not. Many people would not care a lick of you could figure out they ate at subway earlier in the day, whereas this is worrying to privacy advocates.

This claim is regularly repeated, but strongly and directly contradicted by literally every study on the topic. Here [1] is one from Pew in late 2019. 81% of Americans believe the potential risks of companies collecting about them outweighs and benefits. 79% are very/somewhat concerned about how the data collected on them is used. The big issue 81% also believe that little or no control over the data collection. Inte…

people vote with their feet. Instead of looking at studies just look at how people behave, words are cheap. These studies are just evidence of one thing, that people like to appear security conscious in public. People are entirely in control over their data collection and they know it, they can just remove any app they don't like from their phone. The reason they don't is because they get value out of it.

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Tried it over the past week. Even about the subjects that interest me, all the vids I could find were too shallow (as in old info, badly researched etc even for such a short video), sensationalist click bait, way too short etc. I filled in my profile honestly and somehow it took me a lot of effort to teach the algo that I don't want to see videos of (mostly) naked teens dancing or doing (other) suggestive sex things…

The app is collecting tons of metrics of actual watching behaviour to adapt the feed. So maybe you don't want to advertise that "after using the app extensively I'm still getting only half naked young girls dancing". I'm not getting any half naked girls dancing in my feed despite quite enjoying young people dancing mindlessly as a counterweight to the state of the fucking world. Eg. the top notch editing/dancing by C…

I did not say extensively; I used it for a week now to see what the fuss is about and got, at first time opening this app, these videos. Not sure how that analysed my behaviour of ‘opening the app’.

Then I followed a bunch of guys in true crime and made sure to swipe other videos away as fast as I could and it got less but i still get them. Probably if you use it for a long time; it might be more tailored to me but the content, even the good content according to like minded, so far is so bad that I don’t think I will give it that much time.

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I interviewed for a data science product manager role (I am one) at a games company. They were doing very interesting things with generative models however the person running it’s speciality was a Phd in addiction (and plenty of work in the field) Was so interesting from an intellectual stand point but so very very evil.

Sounds like EA but I'm not sure if you can even speak about that right now :D

I am in no way interested in not letting people know about this. It is outrageous.

How to give the gift of dopamine no matter where you are in your gaming journey.

Introduce ‘gifts’, monitor effect and then mass deploy. All using ML tools.

Clever but oh so awful.

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So 1. The Chinese govt makes laws restricting these apps for young children which are only valid in China, 2. Tiktok obeys local laws in China and local laws in the US, 3. the US and other Western govts don't force social media companies to make the apps safer for children, and you are blaming the Chinese govt for making American kids stupid and addicted? How does the behavior of Instagram, Pinterest and others fit i…

Very valid points until, "and you are blaming the Chinese". It was a quote of someone else.

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