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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by cyberphobe »

411111111111111 wrote: post #144
nimbius wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moxies always been fairly dictatorial about Signal. no third party clients, no decentralization. im not surprised to see a DMCA at all. So far Signal is a centralized encrypted messaging app that includes its own cryptocurrency and wallet no one asked for, shills me for donations every other release, and begs me to invite new users despite deprecating regular SMS message support. if youre a threat-actor the most male…

I thought moxie moved on from Signal? Is he still in the loop?

The anti-signal crowd loves to blame moxie for everything. Just part of their overall commitment to being fact-free

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by nicce »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #170
sschueller wrote: post #74

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Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

What this is is also another reason not to use Snap. This is a multi-level failure. 1. Signal-Desktop is AGPLv3: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop 2. The snap package metadata is AGPLv3: https://github.com/snapcrafters/signal-desktop So, this looks like a fraudulent DMCA claim by Signal, as the snap package maintainers and Canonicial have an open source license! This shows malice by Signal. 3. No-one from C…

And snap store backend is walled garden, you can’t really even make official snaps as external packages. Everything depends on Canonical.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by ddevault »

enriquto wrote: post #141
ddevault wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typical behavior from Signal. They have a track record of hostility that we as a community should really not be tolerating. I do not use Signal and I tell my friends not to, either. Play nice or don't play at all.

Problem is, I already moved my friends and family to Signal and removed Whatsapp from my phone. It was an uphill battle that I don't want to fight again. What do I do, now? As much as there's a lot of questionable stuff on Signal, that's nothing compared to whatsapp. Do you suggest a Signal alternative that is significantly better?

I don't have an answer which is likely to satisfy you. I'm still a grumpy old IRC user. I communicate with non-technical friends and family via email, SMS, and Jitsi Meet. I allowed myself to be persuaded to try Matrix earlier this year and so far I've regret it.

goodpoint's answer is probably the best longer term answer: someone needs to fork Signal and manage it properly. But it's not as simple as just rebranding the software, it needs lots of difficult technical work to fix its many problems.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by thrtythreeforty »

gort19 wrote: post #126
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #113

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Not GP but I'm a Signal user and here are my gripes: - No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client - Does not support Android tablets at all (my mom loves hers) - Fails to ring on Android when you call someone or someone calls you, later serving you a missed call notification (disabled Doze/battery optimization feature on Android and tested on 3 different phones wi…

The only one of these that is a ‘bug’ is the failure to ring on android. The rest are all feature requests. That said, it’s interesting to see what people think are basic requirement for a messaging app these days.

If you want to be reductionist, everything is a feature. But if an app is missing something so basic as to impact usability, I might consider it a bug. It's a matter of opinion where the line is, of course.

Uncontroversial example: a calculator app that doesn't have a divide key. Technically, yes, it's a separate feature from the multiply key, but it's so basic, so expected, that its absence is a bug.

From the above list, I consider "No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client" a bug, or at least a frustrating omission by design.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by [deleted] »

ddevault wrote: post #135
mesebrec wrote: post #65

Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

Typical behavior from Signal. They have a track record of hostility that we as a community should really not be tolerating. I do not use Signal and I tell my friends not to, either. Play nice or don't play at all.

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by happymellon »

gort19 wrote: post #126
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not GP but I'm a Signal user and here are my gripes: - No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client - Does not support Android tablets at all (my mom loves hers) - Fails to ring on Android when you call someone or someone calls you, later serving you a missed call notification (disabled Doze/battery optimization feature on Android and tested on 3 different phones wi…

The only one of these that is a ‘bug’ is the failure to ring on android. The rest are all feature requests. That said, it’s interesting to see what people think are basic requirement for a messaging app these days.

Taking poor pictures, if it is due to using the wrong API is also a bug.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by bogota »

nimbius wrote: post #114
sschueller wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

Moxies always been fairly dictatorial about Signal. no third party clients, no decentralization. im not surprised to see a DMCA at all. So far Signal is a centralized encrypted messaging app that includes its own cryptocurrency and wallet no one asked for, shills me for donations every other release, and begs me to invite new users despite deprecating regular SMS message support. if youre a threat-actor the most male…

This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still.

Moxie is no longer active in signal afaik. This is the new leadership.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by jeroenhd »

yuuu wrote: post #176

The Signal developers don't even provide RPM- or AppImage-based installers, despite being able to create the latter in their build pipeline. I'm never donating anything to them because I'm convinced they're lazy and stupid.

The Signal developers have the freedom to distribute their application in any way they see fit. If they don't want to support your machine then that's their choice. You're free to set up a fork if you want to see change in this regard, as long as you don't violate their trademark and terms of service.

I don't use gnome-calculator on Windows because there's no official Windows distribution available for that platform. That doesn't make the Gnome devs lazy, that's just my preferences conflicting with theirs.

You're not entitled to support for your preferred distribution unless you sign some kind of (probably expensive) support contract and other people not working for you for free doesn't make them lazy or stupid.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Post by cyberphobe »

googlryas wrote: post #75
mesebrec wrote: post #65

Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

So you're saying signal requested their own program be removed from the snap store? Sorry, I'm a little confused on terms. When you say snap maintainer, are you saying you are the maintainer of the signal snap package, or that you're a maintainer of snap itself?

Wasn’t their own program. They have a binary they distribute, this was some other binary calling itself Signal without their approval.
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