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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Fair enough, but I don't think I'm saying anything that hasn't already been pretty abundantly documented over the last several years.

That permissive drug enforcement policy increases crime? I never read any study to that effect, much the opposite.

It's pretty well established that addictive drugs cause users to commit petty theft to support their drug habit.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #112

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So does basically legalizing theft for under $950, choosing not to prosecute "property crimes" and so-called bail reform where most people are just released back into society after arrest. All sound good until put into practice.

So does basically legalizing theft for under $950 Yeah, no. Theft under $950 is still theft and it's still illegal. If you're whining about the felony threshold $950 puts it pretty much middle of the road compared to the other forty-nine states. Hell, the threshold in Texas is over $2,000 and has been that high since before Prop. 47 was passed. Find another boogeyman already.

Texas prosecutes misdemeanors. Californian cities essentially do not.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #51

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As a Boston resident I haven’t had any incidents of theft or violence in 10 years. I walk around with my toddler without issue.

Walking around (nearly any part of) San Francisco day or night with a toddler is no problem at all, but don’t leave a backpack sitting on your car’s passenger seat if you don’t want your window smashed. The problem is property crimes not violent crime. One of the main issues is that the SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help.

> SF police are unwilling to lift a finger about nearly anything, and more or less laugh at you if you ask for their help

That's rather uncharitable given the sheer volume of property crime facing the city. Literally hundreds of calls a day... while in 2020 the mayor bragged about cutting the police funding by $120 million and moving it to other organizations. It has since been restored (I think?).

Even a B-corp with a very liberal owner couldn't take it anymore when their windows were broken 5 times and organized theft groups raided the store on a regular basis (posted 2 days ago): https://www.linkedin.com/posts/davismsmith_its-sad-but-san-f...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #157

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Those other states still prosecute though. And although a misdemeanor isn't as big of a deal as a felony, having to go to court and deal with probation etc. acts as a huge deterrent that you don't get if something just isn't prosecuted.

Those other states still prosecute though. Boudin prosecuted most cases that were brought to him. In fact he prosecuted a larger percentage than his successor has so far. Boudin also prosecuted police misconduct which made him a lot of enemies.

This is nonsense. He filed charges then let them off. That's not prosecuting.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

At this point it's basically the monty python "its just a flesh wound" scene.

Anyone who has visited SF knows exactly whats going on.

Anyone who lives in SF also knows exactly whats going on. They'll just desperately point to some statistic from a tiny town they've never been to that actually measures and enforces the law.

Anything to justify continuing to vote for whatever the media tells them to vote for next.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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The Mayor of San Francisco appointed a tough-on-crime prosecutor who has spoken in public in favor of reviving failed policies like the war on drugs, purged employees hired by her progressive predecessor, and canceled investigations into police misconduct. You already have the most reactionary, cuff-em-and-stuff-em prosecutor you’re likely to get in San Francisco. So if crime is still a problem, you’re going to have…

Also, SFPD’s budget was not cut in the wake of protests against police violence. There was no defunding of police in San Francisco. You can’t blame their inaction on policies that were not implemented here.

Ummm, SF voters voted to make their police force "SMALLER"!

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537593/san-francisco-proposi...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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There's an important line that SF has not crossed (yet): murder still causes police response. In a decade or so, it will be like most large Latin American cities: murder will cause same lackluster police response as currently car break-ins do. Rich will have their own security, and poor will be afraid to walk after dark.

Murders used to be so much more common 30-40 years ago in the city, just ask someone who was there back then.

It was mostly at night time. Brazen things happen in the middle of the day now.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #119

SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

Can you provide any... yaknow... evidence that crime is going up on average?

Just a quick Google implies that this is a complete fabrication

https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-Che...

https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/san-francisco-crime-r...

>Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe.

The irony of saying this with no data to back up your claim, and the data that exists showing the exact opposite of your claim, is truly palpable

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#200

I live in northern Virginia, and I have never been a victim of theft. If this poll is correct, that amount of theft is insane. Regardless of the causes, this seems like a pretty serious problem.

Not even package theft? Maybe it's who I know, but all the nova residents I personally know complain about packages being stolen off their porch. That and theft of bikes or bike parts. Whether these count seems to vary a lot. Most people don't bother to file a police report, so they won't show up in a city/county's theft stats. But if a poll (like this one) asked me if I had ever been a victim of theft (and didn't further specify), I would include that kind of opportunistic theft in my answer.
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