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Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by arez »

_-david-_ wrote: post #169
arez wrote: post #102

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It's not so mich about the continent more about the jurisdiction, europe has GDPR which seems to do an ok job. You don't have to switch to a more privacy focused service but it's good that they exist and you can see that more and more of those services are popping up, protonmail for mail, duckduckgo for search and so on

Only some places in Europe have the GDPR. The EU is not all of Europe.

I talk about europe and the jurisdiction ofc I mean the european union, I don't think I have to spell that out

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by dspillett »

d3nj4l wrote: post #161
dspillett wrote: post #140

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> There's a whole ocean between "we don't really support Docker" and "if you dare ask this again, you'll get banned." There is. And I'm suggesting that the water filling that ocean has come from having the same discussion over and over again with people who have asked in the past, each thinking they might be the one to finally help you see the light. I've not personally dealt with it from the point of view of infrast…

Perhaps there is a difference between "not wanting to engage on the matter" and "banning someone on sight"? Maybe there's polite ways to say, "Sorry, but we're not interested in supporting docker, and we don't care about any arguments for it" that would take less effort than rudely telling someone to fuck off?

Of course the suggestion of “banning on sight” could have been an attempt at humour by way of hyperbole, something I should have noted in my previous reply.

> that would take less effort than

Unfortunately, not always. Sometimes the only way to convince people that it isn't worth their time continuing to try to change your mind, is to blatantly be a dick about it. I try not to jump straight to dickishness though: I'll state my position politely once, I may have time to repeat that once or twice more, then out come the big guns.

On a public mailing list or similar I might be more blunt: linking to past discussions in the first instance then jumping to DickCon1. On a public group the discussion is taking more than just my time and might encourage others to chime in and drag the matter instead of letting it close.

And again: the suggestion of “banning on sight” could have been intended as an attempt at humour by way of hyperbole, rather than the direct “off you fuck” that was felt. Communication of sentiment online is very prone to errors like that.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by d3nj4l »

dspillett wrote: post #192
d3nj4l wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps there is a difference between "not wanting to engage on the matter" and "banning someone on sight"? Maybe there's polite ways to say, "Sorry, but we're not interested in supporting docker, and we don't care about any arguments for it" that would take less effort than rudely telling someone to fuck off?

Of course the suggestion of “banning on sight” could have been an attempt at humour by way of hyperbole, something I should have noted in my previous reply. > that would take less effort than Unfortunately, not always. Sometimes the only way to convince people that it isn't worth their time continuing to try to change your mind, is to blatantly be a dick about it. I try not to jump straight to dickishness though: I'l…

> Communication of sentiment online is very prone to errors like that

This is exactly my point: given that online communication is low bandwidth, why are you attempting humour with someone new, who is therefore very unlikely to get it? (And, given Drew's track record, I find it extremely unlikely that he is just trying to be funny, but that's a different matter.)

Also, your point about not wanting to spend more time on a discussion than is necessary, you can simply... not. Say not interested, post a link to a FAQ that covers your stance, and simply don't engage. You don't need to be offensive. You don't need to be worried about people dragging the matter. It's just a discussion.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by dopidopHN »

jszymborski wrote: post #113
medoc wrote: post #44

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There is also framagit: https://framagit.org/public/projects which is a Gitlab instance run by a French non-profit, Framasoft: https://framasoft.org/en/ I host my project there, no issues.

I have a lot of love for framasoft, but beware that they have limited resources and have in the past closed down or geofenced services I was relying on. I think Codeberg's co-op style governance/funding makes a lot of sense w.r.t sustainability. A reminder that Framasoft's a worthy cause to donate to if you are looking for causes to support!

They have been around for a while at this point. 20+ years of good work.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by jcul »

jpe90 wrote: post #22
strenholme wrote: post #15

Here is a list of free Git hosting services for open source software: • https://github.com/ • https://gitlab.com/ • https://bitbucket.org/ • https://codeberg.org/ (As per the linked article) • https://sr.ht/ (Sourcehut) Codeberg and Sourcehut appear to use open source code for their web page backend; the others seem to use proprietary software (in the case of GitLab, there is a free version, but gitlab.com also uses…

I tried out self hosting on my $5/mo VPS and found it much easier than expected. https://jeskin.net/blog/self-hosting-git-with-stagit/

Stagit looks really nice and lightweight.

I like the idea of generating static webpages, it sounds great for read only content.

However, it doesn't sound very good for collaboration. Someone can come your repo but it doesn't seem easy for them to submit changes back upstream to your repo?

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by jcul »

hk1337 wrote: post #86
JanMa wrote: post #36

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Keybase also has support for hosting Git repos: https://book.keybase.io/git

I used to use Keybase for my dotfiles repo but I thought Keybase was on their way out since being bought?

Which is a shame, assuming it's true. I thought keybase was really innovative in their use of modern cryptography.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by sph »

bayindirh wrote: post #186
sph wrote: post #185

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Oh, so there's people that don't know how to use containers, so they're bad? What kind of patronising, nanny state kind of argument is that? Listen, I understand not liking containers. That's fine. But just say so, or try to give more concrete arguments to the table than "I saw a guy in a video creating an insecure container. Thus Docker creates ignorance." As if configuring servers by hand isn't prone to misconfigur…

> Oh, so there's people that don't know how to use containers, so they're bad? What kind of patronising, nanny state kind of argument is that? You're building rest of your comment on this misinterpretation of my comment. What I say is "Docker is easy, but it lowers the bar for making mistakes too much. Using Docker without enough information creates bigger problems, faster". You can do a lot of mistakes, and fatal on…

> Docker and K8S are sharp knives with no warnings on them.

And that's nothing wrong with that. You might also "hurt" yourself by installing software by hand.

Let's agree to disagree, this "it could be dangerous!" argument feels like doubling down on a weak position, but I honestly do not care about fighting someone over the internet about it. Your computer, your rules :-)

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by bayindirh »

sph wrote: post #197
bayindirh wrote: post #186

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> Oh, so there's people that don't know how to use containers, so they're bad? What kind of patronising, nanny state kind of argument is that? You're building rest of your comment on this misinterpretation of my comment. What I say is "Docker is easy, but it lowers the bar for making mistakes too much. Using Docker without enough information creates bigger problems, faster". You can do a lot of mistakes, and fatal on…

> Docker and K8S are sharp knives with no warnings on them. And that's nothing wrong with that. You might also "hurt" yourself by installing software by hand. Let's agree to disagree, this "it could be dangerous!" argument feels like doubling down on a weak position, but I honestly do not care about fighting someone over the internet about it. Your computer, your rules :-)

> And that's nothing wrong with that.

Yes, except poor documentation and lots of open secrets.

There is no need to fight. We're just discussing. We can do things differently and obtain the same brilliant or disastrous results regardless of the underlying abstraction layer/platform.

All approaches have advantages and disadvantages, so all takes are equally weak IMHO.

Have a nice day,

Cheers.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by alwillis »

Blackthorn wrote: post #175
alwillis wrote: post #167

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Heptapod supports a Mercurial hosting service (free for OSS) that’s a fork of GitLab: https://heptapod.net/

Really appreciate the link. Much prefer mercurial to git on my own stuff.

Same.

Re: Codeberg: A GitHub alternative from Europe

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Post by kodah »

dspillett wrote: post #192
d3nj4l wrote: post #161

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Perhaps there is a difference between "not wanting to engage on the matter" and "banning someone on sight"? Maybe there's polite ways to say, "Sorry, but we're not interested in supporting docker, and we don't care about any arguments for it" that would take less effort than rudely telling someone to fuck off?

Of course the suggestion of “banning on sight” could have been an attempt at humour by way of hyperbole, something I should have noted in my previous reply. > that would take less effort than Unfortunately, not always. Sometimes the only way to convince people that it isn't worth their time continuing to try to change your mind, is to blatantly be a dick about it. I try not to jump straight to dickishness though: I'l…

It was on Libera in a public channel. It wasn't humor. I'm very used to the IRC crowd and recognizing even the cringiest of humor tactics. There's also another person on this thread now who Drew reacted similarly on a mailing list.

I will be very surprised if Drew isn't called in by his communities at some point.

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