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Post by Apocryphon »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #181
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. Devil's advocate: there's no way this isn't the case for Kanye, right? Why is this mental illness sparking up later in his life? Why was he able to achieve everything he's achieved 1996 -> 2012 (Roc-A-Fella -> The College Dropout -> My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy era) without these "mental illness" bouts?

All hip hop artists (and most artists) are manic. A little bit of mania helps you make creative connections and clever rhymes. Too much mania turns you into Don Quixote. FYI (for the down-voters): https://www.verywellmind.com/clang-associations-380072 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/clanging-schizophr...

Bit of an exaggeration. Plenty of rappers who are depressive. Isn’t that the whole premise of mumble rap?

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Post by themitigating »

imjk wrote: post #170
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

Call me cynical, but I think the likes of Kanye, the Kardashians, Trump, even Elon, etc. are much more calculated than they are deranged. They know how to work the media and manipulate the public better than anyone else. We're living in a world now where journalists are paid by click counts more than quality of content. In the same vein, Kanye and the likes know that the more absurdist and unconventional their action…

And when you align with the right you can just claim persecution, that you are always the victim, if called out for your behavior

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Post by chatterhead »

jleyank wrote: post #95

Can't make private individuals or companies host your speech. Can't make people listen to your speech. There's no protection against civil (ie, non governmental) action against your speech. You want freedom, host it your self and be prepared to accept the consequences and gains. Go to Speakers Corner and have a go. Put up a website. Buy a TV/Radio station, or Internet provider.

Until you get DOS'd to death.

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Post by danuker »

impowski wrote: post #48
danuker wrote: post #36

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On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the leas…

People are lazy they think that some sort of compensation will resolve all their issues but it’s not. Everyone knows that these companies control people because they are constantly engaged on their platforms they can push anything they want. Companies will support any dominating regime for their own good it doesn’t matter if it’s democrats or republicans, fascists or communists, etc.

How are companies benefitting by pushing something, rather than trying to stay politically neutral?

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Post by aborochoff »

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it.

If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #121
dmix wrote: post #114

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When only the rejects use the sites of course it's going to be full of bad content. That doesn't mean there isn't value in free speech being better valued on mainstream platforms.

> “When only the rejects use the sites of course it's going to be full of bad content.” The problem with this theory is that 4chan is older than both Twitter and Facebook. If unmoderated speech created an inherently better platform, surely 4chan would have captured the market a long time ago and cut off commercial alternatives like Craigslist did.

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Post by themitigating »

smcn wrote: post #154
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. Devil's advocate: there's no way this isn't the case for Kanye, right? Why is this mental illness sparking up later in his life? Why was he able to achieve everything he's achieved 1996 -> 2012 (Roc-A-Fella -> The College Dropout -> My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy era) without these "mental illness" bouts?

He's diagnosed with bipolar back in 2016 and talks about refusing medication because it messes with his ability to create/be creative. It's possible that he's exhibited symptoms for far longer but it was brushed aside under the guise of kooky genius. I mean, the Taylor Swift thing was, what, 2009?

I'm bipolar and while I do get excited with bursts of energy I've never made antisemitic or political remarks because of it

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Post by joshstrange »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech.

Agreed. Truth Social/Parlor as "Free speech" spaces is 100% laughable.

> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.

AKA: Every totally-free-no-holds-barred-speech sites, there is a reason it's a stupid goal held by people either too naive or those using it as a dog whistle.

> Yet again, I like that Musk and Kanye kind of people claim that they want free speech because at least we can hold them responsible when they don't deliver it.

Yes, because we have such a good track record of holding liars accountable...

> This is in contrast with the pure fascist where they cannot be held responsible for anything because they don't claim virtue in first place.

I can't even with this line. We have plenty of fascists running around claiming mountains of virtue and lying through their teeth. Their base/audience continues to blindly follow them and holding any of them accountable (especially by their base) is a pipe dream.

> It's a bit like companies doing greenwashing, which can be exposed when they don't deliver on their claimed virtues versus companies who don't even claim such virtues and instead pretend that it doesn't matter.

Again, this just isn't happening at scale.

> Those who claim virtue are better even if they ultimately fail.

False.

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Post by pazimzadeh »

Apocryphon wrote: post #191
pazimzadeh wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All hip hop artists (and most artists) are manic. A little bit of mania helps you make creative connections and clever rhymes. Too much mania turns you into Don Quixote. FYI (for the down-voters): https://www.verywellmind.com/clang-associations-380072 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/clanging-schizophr...

Bit of an exaggeration. Plenty of rappers who are depressive. Isn’t that the whole premise of mumble rap?

Manic depression, otherwise known as bipolar disorder

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Post by luckylion »

macintux wrote: post #156
luckylion wrote: post #112

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It's absurd to call capitalism the problem for e.g. pollution (which is a typical example of 'capitalism is the problem' statements), which every economic system faced (and the communist systems handled much worse than the capitalist), not to mention comparing slavery to 21st century employment in the West. The people uttering those statements know that, they're neither stupid nor children who haven't yet gotten an e…

Pollution is an example of an externality which unregulated ism fails to address, but since capitalism is the dominant economic model and many capitalists advocate for less regulation, it’s not a dramatic leap of logic to say capitalism is the problem.

Again, we've had something very not capitalist to compare it to (which those people tend to love) and boy, was that worse.

But the past tends to be forgotten and on the internet nobody knows that the Soviet Union existed, so why not claim that it didn't. Or that it does, but is being attacked by NATO. Or, my favorite, that Russia doesn't exist, but is just a mirage used by NATO countries to pretend there's an external enemy so their population will follow orders more easily. "It's just an opinion" after all.

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