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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Different how? If it's not required, then it's not enforced, no?

I guess "Steam doesn't enforce DRM" can be understood to mean that Steam doesn't enforce DRM regardless of whether the game uses its API.

Oh hmm. I don't know exactly how it works, but I think Steam DRM is different from using the API for friends and things like that.

Very not sure about that, though.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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> Nintendo and Denuvo announced anti-emulation measures for switch games in August 2022. Are there details on those measures?

https://kotaku.com/nintendo-switch-botw-emulator-pc-piracy-d... According to this article, this is an initiative championed by Denuvo alone, without Nintendo's involvement.

If Denuvo wants it to be effective, they need low level access from Nintendo. It's not possible for this to get approved to run on the switch without going through Nintendo. Depending on how effective this is, Nintendo would most likely be the first publisher to use it. Nintendo develops many of its most popular games in house. There was a lot of negative reactions to this so I imagine Nintendo wanted to distance itself from it publicly. It is the same company that took Game Genie, a game cheat cartridge for the NES, to court on the basis of "copyright infringement". Nintendo lost that case, but they have won recent cases taking down rom hosting sites.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Nintendo doesn't have a relationship with anyone (content creators included), apart from their lawyers. Despite the video being retracted the desired effect has been achieved. The flurry of news has more lay people thinking about the Steam Deck in the same class as the Switch, even if their intent is not to emulate.

Well, valve released portal on the new nintendo, so they have some buisness connections

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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This but apply to all property. Unused lots of land will be a liability. Empty houses should be onerously expensive.

But if someone takes your land, you lose it. If someone looks at a bootleg photo of your land you still have your land, if you ever choose to monetize it again.

What is the video game equivalent of a bootleg photo of land? A bootleg video trailer?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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In the same way that nobody torrents linux isos? Just because it's less popular than other uses doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Torrenting is a pretty standard, official, way of distributing Linux ISOs. Linux' license also doesn't really stop anyone from doing so, as it very much wants its users to share it with others (GPL v2, see the 4 freedoms of the FSF). There could be problems distributing e.g. Red Hat-owned stuff (trademarks, copyrighted things, non-FOSS software and such) without permission, but Linux itself is completely legal to sha…

Emulation and virtualisation is a pretty standard, official, way of running software on other devices, where the software licence also doesn't stop anyone from doing so.

Emulating also isn't illegal by itself of a direct link to pirating, it is just a very common way of playing pirated games.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Torrenting is a pretty standard, official, way of distributing Linux ISOs. Linux' license also doesn't really stop anyone from doing so, as it very much wants its users to share it with others (GPL v2, see the 4 freedoms of the FSF). There could be problems distributing e.g. Red Hat-owned stuff (trademarks, copyrighted things, non-FOSS software and such) without permission, but Linux itself is completely legal to sha…

Emulation and virtualisation is a pretty standard, official, way of running software on other devices, where the software licence also doesn't stop anyone from doing so. Emulating also isn't illegal by itself of a direct link to pirating, it is just a very common way of playing pirated games.

I assume you are probably trying to make fun of the comment or playing devil's advocate or something, but you are correct. The illegal part comes when you try to share things you have no rights to share, such as the ROMs or BIOS.

Just as you can go to to arch linux' web page and download through their recommended method (torrent), you can go play old PS1 games on the PSClassic (based on the PCSX emulator), or play GB/GBC games on your 3DS Virtual Console (in house nintendo-made emulator afaik, correct me if I'm wrong).

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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I'd prefer a system, where the author has to actually and actively be trying to make money in a specific market, before the copyright can be applied in that specific case (as with trademark law, where the owner has to actively protect the trademark). Some nintendo games are currently not available anywhere (from nintendo or from original publisher), but if you copy/download that rom, you can get fined due to fictiona…

I always think about this with the Black and White series. You can't download it anywhere. EA has it listed on their website but its basically just marketing material which is bit of a tease. The entry on the GOG.com wishlist has 36K+ upvotes with a new comment posted every week or so. Seems like low hanging fruit for someone at EA to make a quick buck. https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/black_white_2

You can blame the copyright, trademark and possibly patent if it's not that old for that.

The problem is, a game is not owned by single entity. There were multiple persons and organizations own the game.

Some persons are now deceased, some organizations are now bankrupted.

It's almost impossible to find all entities who own the rights, negotiate the share. It costs more than the potential profit of the old games.

What we need is a copyright exemption law(or recognized as a fair use if you're living in US common law system) which allows unlimited use of copyrighted works(including commercial use) if the copy of the work cannot be obtained from the author.

Some may argues that they want the right to not distributed, but the very reason copyright exist is to give temporally exclusive rights the the author for... you know what? distribution. If the author don't want to distribute their works, it's shall not be copyright protected in the first place.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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I think it’s pretty obvious most people using Switch emulators are getting the games on the net for free. So it’s awkward to show that on promotional material of another handheld device.

Only because it's very hard to pay for switch ROMs. As gaben himself said, "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem". If getting switch ROMs were as easy as buying any other game on Steam, most people would probably pay, the same way most people already pay instead of pirating PC games.

> Only because it's very hard to pay for switch ROMs. As gaben himself said, "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem".

how many rootkit-level DRMs does Steam need to distribute before we can throw that comment of Gabe's out the window? They own the PC market, they have just about mastered software distribution, and everyone seems fairly happy with the service provided, yet piracy still exists and most everyone on the Steam marketplace go out of their way to implement various methods of software DRM to prevent it.

What kind of fantasy service provided is he imagining that would put a stop to software piracy?

Safe to say that the comment was plain wrong at this point, no?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Emulation and virtualisation is a pretty standard, official, way of running software on other devices, where the software licence also doesn't stop anyone from doing so. Emulating also isn't illegal by itself of a direct link to pirating, it is just a very common way of playing pirated games.

I assume you are probably trying to make fun of the comment or playing devil's advocate or something, but you are correct. The illegal part comes when you try to share things you have no rights to share, such as the ROMs or BIOS. Just as you can go to to arch linux' web page and download through their recommended method (torrent), you can go play old PS1 games on the PSClassic (based on the PCSX emulator), or play GB…

I interpreted the comment as a comparison between torrenting and emulation, "but torrenting isn't illegal but is used for illegal things" and thought it was implying the opposite for emulation, i.e that emulation was illegal.

I was making fun of that comment to point out the same is true of emulation. However I obviously misinterpreted the initial comment since you're clearly aware emulation itself is legal. Sorry.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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While this is legal, Nintendo is very vocally anti-emulation. Nintendo and Denuvo announced anti-emulation measures for switch games in August 2022. There's a big difference between support and marketing support. Nintendo doesn't care what other companies do internally, but cares a lot about what is shown publicly. I remember when Nintendo took down a bunch of youtube videos showing how to jailbreak the original swit…

Nintendo are anti piracy, not anti-emulation.

They used to sell emulators on their marketplace for their back catalogue under the 'virtual console' brand and more recently on Switch include emulation for NES, SNES and Nintendo 64 titles as a benefit on their online subscription model.

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/

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