Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 330 posts

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#191

Post by aa-jv »

shadowgovt wrote: post #95
samuell wrote: post #46

Biden himself told they would do it, and "promised they have ways to do it" (from ca 1:20): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8&t=82s

Which means, since this is cloak-and-dagger stuff, we could add to the list of suspects "anyone who could get access to that Pipeline and wants to destabilize relations between the United States and Germany."

It doesn't destabilize the relationship between US and Germany one bit - unless evidence comes out that the USA did do this damage - in which case the Germans will probably apologize and kowtow, as they always do when America is on the line ...

It does make it hard for Germany and Russia to have energy trade, however.

Which makes it easier for the USA to sell its dirty gas in Europe.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#193

Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

detaro wrote: post #183
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shows as [dead], why else would it? edit: never mind, seen it mentioned elsewhere this thread now. (but still...)

if it were flagged, it would show as [flagged][dead]. Looking at the submission history for the domain, they've all been [dead] for years, so clearly the domain is banned.

Interesting. Didn't look for that. But I have to wonder why? At least with uBO nothing suspicious on that site. It looks just 'normal'?

Does it always have to be https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=55.61249... ?

It doesn't even show up there, because below 2.5 on the Richter scale.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#194

Post by aa-jv »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #167
stackola wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We aren't even talking about arming anyone, we were talking about sabotage.

> we were talking about sabotage This is a message, a fuckup or an accident. What it is not is a successful covert operation by a competent intelligence agency.

Biden openly stated that he would destroy these pipelines.

Why would a "competent" intelligence agency need to get involved in making it covert, after the US President, himself, admitted that it would happen?

This straw man argument you're making does serve to deflect attention from the one party that is obviously going to benefit from this event, however.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#195

Post by Markoff »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #67
mberning wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alphabet agencies working overtime.

The real question is whether it's Cyrillic or Latin.

Well clear winner of current sitaution is US, clear loser is Europe/EU and Russia is somewhere in between, but they can sell their gas elsewhere, so what would be point sabotaging own business (though it could be false flag attack).

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#196

Post by detaro »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #193
detaro wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if it were flagged, it would show as [flagged][dead]. Looking at the submission history for the domain, they've all been [dead] for years, so clearly the domain is banned.

Interesting. Didn't look for that. But I have to wonder why? At least with uBO nothing suspicious on that site. It looks just 'normal'? Does it always have to be https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=55.61249... ? It doesn't even show up there, because below 2.5 on the Richter scale.

> But I have to wonder why?

No idea, certainly the HN spam filter isn't perfect. You can mail the mods and ask about/ask for it to be unbanned, in my experience they appreciate people reporting false positives to them.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#197

Post by mupuff1234 »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #57
mupuff1234 wrote: post #38

Any shared dependencies between the pipelines? Maybe just a time sensitive maintenance task that was neglected due to current state of affairs?

> Maybe just a time sensitive maintenance task that was neglected due to current state of affairs? How can you suggest this with a straight face?

Mostly since I have zero knowledge of the Nordstrom pipelines, that's why I'm wondering if there's any commonality.

I assume the current mode of operation is far from the normal one, which probably brings a much higher likely chance of "edge case" malfunctions, but yeah just speculating here.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#198

Post by koheripbal »

r721 wrote: post #186

>The Russian submarine that caught fire and killed 14 may have been designed to cut undersea internet cables >"The Russians talk about these ships in this program doing bathymetric research and deep-ocean research, meaning they do stuff on the sea floor," Bryan Clark, a former US Navy officer and a submarine warfare expert, told Business Insider. "If they are doing research on the sea floor with a military submarine,…

The motive here is obvious. It is to stop any remaining gas shipments from Russia to Germany without formally violating their contracts and providing plausible deniability for future restoration negotiations using the newer Nordstream 2 pipeline which has much larger capacity anyway.

Germany has struggled to store enough gas storage for winter. They have told the public they have enough, however those estimates assumed a continued flow along the Nordstream 1 pipeline.

I suspect we will see additional oil/gas supply "mystery disruptions" to reduce Europe's willingness to support Ukraine and pressure Ukraine to accept a ceasefire along the existing front (which will defacto annex a big chunk of Ukraine to Russia).

It's going to be a cold and politically difficult winter in Europe.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#199

Post by LtWorf »

eunos wrote: post #127
jeltz wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there have been zero indications that Germany is interested in any such deal. Germany is fine with buying gas from Russia for euros, but they have displayed zero interest in offering anything else in payment. If Germany made such a deal I see mass protests and lets of criticism from the rest of the EU which would lose them tons of political clout within Europe. And for what? I do not think it would be worth it fo…

>for what? To sustain industry.

Let's not forget cook food.

Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day

#200

Post by koheripbal »

Markoff wrote: post #195
oldgradstudent wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question is whether it's Cyrillic or Latin.

Well clear winner of current sitaution is US, clear loser is Europe/EU and Russia is somewhere in between, but they can sell their gas elsewhere, so what would be point sabotaging own business (though it could be false flag attack).

No, the winner here is clearly Russia.

They wanted to cut the line to pressure the EU into pressuring Ukraine to agree to a ceasefire along existing battle lines.

Cutting production through an "accident" allows them plausible deniability to cut Europe's gas supplies without formally violating the contract and for restoration negotiations if the Ukraine question is settled.

Post reply on HN