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'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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There are a lot of callouts of "This is BS" in regards to this article. Look at it from a different perspective. I would HIGHLY prefer this to a short press release blurb that allows pop-science clickbait aggregators (or even worse, the "science" sections of CBS/CNN and the like) to have first crack at it. This was produced by the university themselves, and provides a concise yet accurate and detailed overview of the…

Shhh... This is a way to people to stop skipping training their calves. It's funny how they call it a soleus pushup but this is the basic movement called seated calf raise.

It's actually not. The reason he mentioned what's going on on the inside is not what you think is going on by looking from the outside.

Sit in that same position, and then do a lift part way. At some point, you'll find a "spring" balance, where you can autonomously drum your leg. The muscle that is doing that triggered flex is the only muscle you are focusing on with the Soleus Pushup. Except for the SP, you are triggering it with a pause instead of letting your leg hammer. That rest will allow you to do the move indefinitely without muscle fatigue in that muscle only. It's a bit like your heart beat. Other than the pause, the distance you aim upward for, and the catch (the small bounce right before your heal falls to the ground), the move is way more like this leg drumming than any calf raise, but slower and with rest strokes.

Incidentally, you can google the paper, which includes graphs of the muscle use. The two main muscles engaged for calf raises are only nominally activated (because it's pretty hard not to flex with this move) but the Soleus is doing way more of the work.

So visibly it is pretty much identical to a calf raise. But what is driving the motion is totally different. Plus you limit to only 1% of your body weight. That muscle specifically has that spring action the surrounding muscles don't have, and uses nutrients entirely differently in order to be that way.

After a half-hour of doing this, just like cycling, your body enters a metabolic state, which means that muscle is eating up fats and sugars from your blood at a much higher rate than normally. Then you keep going from there because your Soleus is the one demanding the nutrients.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

#192
post #94

For all the comments wondering what the particular movement and equipment is, see pages 5 and 6 of the supplementary materials: https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S25890042220114... The equipment is an electromyography system with realtime display. It measures the muscle contraction and is displayed to the subject so they can learn to recognize the movement that properly activates the muscle. Contrary to th…

But sedentary people are the target audience for this exercise. Athletes worry about having enough energy during their exercise. When many people in developed countries are obese or overweight, every technique helps, especially something for those who don't like to sweat...

Funny enough, they say in a few different ways that while it isn't a very practical exercise, you're just sitting there anyway. So it is not aimed at most athletes.

Athletes already have strong metabolic responses, except when they plateau, but that's surely not going to happen to a couch potato or desk jockey.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

#193

I think the soleus helps to pump blood. Flexing the soleus could be improving circulation, which is responsible for some of the allegedly observed effects. In Japanese there is a saying "ふくらはぎは第二の心臓" (fukurahagi wa, dai-ni no shinzou: the calves are a second heart). Calf-io-vascular workout? Haha.

A great pun, but the laughing at your own joke is the best!

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Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Athletes worry about having enough energy during their exercise. Ironically, I'm a sedentary person who doesn't have enough energy to do 10 stations at the gym. If I do back & legs I'm pretty much done for the day. While I was reading the article, I realized that my need for optimizing for efficient blood sugar use is different than the many who would rather waste it.

10 stations seems... excessive. (If your goal for exercises is physical therapy or bodybuilding, ignore the rest of this) If a given "station" is what I picture it to be, it is likely a station for training a muscle in isolation. example: a station called "preacher's bench" for "bicep curls",l. Consider that isolation exercise is, broadly, really useful for two circumstances: bodybuilding, and physical therapy. For f…

That's pretty much exactly what they say in this study. The point is if you are a sedentary couch potato or desk jockey, you can do this to activate a metabolic state. Literally the people who won't use your (good) advice.

It's why there is so much benefit to riding a cycle for 20-30 minutes before working out. Soleus Pushups done properly won't cause fatigue like the cycle does, yet triggers a long-lasting metabolic state (hours, versus minutes you can expect from short bursts of exercise) in the same amount of time.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

#195
post #9

So if I activate this tiny muscle in my calf for a while my metabolism will be up for hours? And where all that added energy will go? I don't know a thing in this area but I know that when something looks too good to be true, it probably isn't.

Maybe you just have elevated mood and energy levels for a few hours? One of the nasty parts of dieting is that you can cut calories and not lose weight, just have less energy and feel worse. Probably not as relevant if your obese but cutting calories leads to some other effects than weight loss when your already lean.

Conversely if your weight is stable you might be able to add 500 calories with no ill effects, just more energy, faster recovery etc. It would be great if it was just formulaic like your post implies but it isn’t.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

#196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but the point is that there may be nothing special about this particular exercise. It’s a bit complicated to get the equipment and training to learn how to do this; maybe that effort is better allocated to just encouraging people to get up and go for a walk every once in a while.

walks don't burn that many calories man. America has a calories-in problem not a calories-out one anyway.

How could walking possibly burn fewer calories per unit time than a tiny leg movement?

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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post #196

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walks don't burn that many calories man. America has a calories-in problem not a calories-out one anyway.

How could walking possibly burn fewer calories per unit time than a tiny leg movement?

sounds like the theory is that keeping it going over a long period of time keeps the metabolism up vs a short walk? tbh I'm skeptical, but my point is more that "go for a walk" isn't really the answer for weight loss. serious cardio (hiit appears to work well from last time i looked at literature) and some heavy lifting work way better, but it's still mostly a "calories in" problem.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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post #34
post #8

> Instead of breaking down glycogen, the soleus can use other types of fuels such as blood glucose and fats . Glycogen is normally the predominant type of carbohydrate that fuels muscular exercise. > When the SPU was tested, the whole-body effects on blood chemistry included a 52% improvement in the excursion of blood glucose (sugar) and 60% less insulin requirement over three hours after ingesting a glucose drink. T…

Most muscles can use a variety of energy sources. Cells have had to deal with famine and seasons since long before humans, and so needed ways to use whatever energy is available. Sugar is by far the easiest to use for energy, but fats are used as well.

Yes, but the article is pointing out that without being in a state of famine or other known state when muscles have no alternative but to other fuels, the soleus uses other fuels.

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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post #17

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Not a biologist, but I would wonder why only this muscle would be capable of this. Metabolizing fats is a complex process.

All muscles are capable of metabolizing fat. In cycling (and other endurance sports), one of the adaptations observed in top athletes is that their muscles become highly efficient at metabolizing fat during medium-intensity exercise. A professional endurance athlete will metabolize about 70% fat, 30% carbs for the majority of a multi-hour event. This preserves their muscle glycogen for the high-intensity bits where t…

Yes, muscles can use fat but only when forced to do so bc the primary fuel source is no longer available. This article is showing that even while the muscles and liver have glycogen and glucose is available, the soleus chooses to use fat. This is huge if it’s true!

Re: 'Soleus pushup' fuels metabolism for hours while sitting

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For people with mobility issues or disability this could be of great benefit if it does what is suggested. I had a work place knee injury which required reconstructive surgery ( not replacement) and am now considered disabled. I also have Fibromyalgia and osteoarthritis. I can not use a treadmill, cycle or do much in the way of weight training. So this has lead to a much more sedatary life....and all that comes with it. I'd be very interested in finding a professional or research project to volunteer as a test subject!
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