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I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by RobertRoberts »

banannaise wrote: post #160
RobertRoberts wrote: post #42

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How could we use that data to help prevent crime? To best mimic the success of the original post, it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood so we could help them first with tax relief, food, birth control, whatever would help the most.

> it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood That would be the police.

> That would be the police.

Yes, but the fact that we have to monitor them proves they aren't up to the job. The people need to do this, and we should use scraping data to prevent _ALL_ crimes.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by kennywinker »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #191
banannaise wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it would be good to be able to identify people doing the most damage to a neighborhood That would be the police.

> That would be the police. Yes, but the fact that we have to monitor them proves they aren't up to the job. The people need to do this, and we should use scraping data to prevent _ALL_ crimes.

Not the parent poster but i think they were saying that the police are the ones doing the most damage in the community.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by KingMob »

logicalmonster wrote: post #157
KingMob wrote: post #154

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...because there's a plausible and uncontested rationale, unlike skin color? Men generally have more testosterone, which leads to aggression and worse impulse control. Nobody's talking about the reason men are 95% of police shootings because it's pretty obvious.

> ...because there's a plausible and uncontested rationale, unlike skin color? Men generally have more testosterone, which leads to aggression and worse impulse control. Why isn't it plausible that different groups are different in some ways? For instance, when it comes to testosterone, this seems to be the science. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK20759/ > In fact, African American men have higher exposure to t…

Because when it comes to race, unlike sex, it's contested.

For example, here's a larger study showing NO difference in testosterone between black and white men: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17456570/

Conversely, I've never heard of a single study anywhere claiming that women have more testosterone than men. QED

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by RobertRoberts »

kennywinker wrote: post #192
RobertRoberts wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That would be the police. Yes, but the fact that we have to monitor them proves they aren't up to the job. The people need to do this, and we should use scraping data to prevent _ALL_ crimes.

Not the parent poster but i think they were saying that the police are the ones doing the most damage in the community.

Is there data to show most crime in America is committed by Police? I find that hard to believe.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by jen20 »

sbierwagen wrote: post #187
jen20 wrote: post #166

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> They don't want the rate to be low, they want it to be zero As someone that cannot even vote in the US (and is therefore neither red nor blue) - that seems _eminently fucking reasonable_. This kind of thing just does not happen in the UK. I'd wager there have been fewer police killings (let along just shootings) in the past two decades in the UK than just this weekend in the US. For anyone that actually believes in…

>This kind of thing just does not happen in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/chris-kaba-p... >Chris Kaba: Protests held across UK after unarmed black man shot dead by police. Crowd of more than 1,000 demonstrators brandished ‘fight racism’ signs following the death of unarmed 24-year-old

Fewer in the last two decades than this weekend in the US.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by kylewatson »

josh-pdap wrote: post #128
kylewatson wrote: post #78

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With all due respect, you really need to be able to explain the goals in a sentence or two, and then follow up with a link to the pdf. An elevator pitch, a vision statement, a clearly written user statement, all would go a long ways towards explaining why this is a worth while use of ones time and energy. I don't know whether the goal is to find bad cops who have been fired and get hired one town over and try to prev…

Thanks for all this. Articulating why it’s important in a few words is incredibly difficult and something we’re always working on. The bottom line is that we believe public information should be easily accessible; hundreds of thousands of people are using this data currently, all over the country. We’re trying to make their lives easier. I’ll take your feedback and use it to make our stuff better. That said, if you h…

Sounds good. Thank you for taking this the right way - I found it hard to articulate the criticism in a constructive way with few words, so it was verbose and I hoped for the best.

Amazon, for all its faults, has this process well defined. These links may be helpful to you. Good Luck

https://coda.io/@colin-bryar/working-backwards-how-write-an-...

https://medium.com/intrico-io/strategy-tool-amazons-pr-faq-7...

A nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFdpBqmDpzM

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by kennywinker »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #194
kennywinker wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the parent poster but i think they were saying that the police are the ones doing the most damage in the community.

Is there data to show most crime in America is committed by Police? I find that hard to believe.

Nobody said crime. They said damage to communities.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by RobertRoberts »

kennywinker wrote: post #197
RobertRoberts wrote: post #194

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Is there data to show most crime in America is committed by Police? I find that hard to believe.

Nobody said crime. They said damage to communities.

"Damage caused by police that are not crimes" is so vague as to need clarification, as I can't imagine what that could even be...

My point about stopping ALL crime with data is a very clear statement that has validity and merit.

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by kennywinker »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #198
kennywinker wrote: post #197

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Nobody said crime. They said damage to communities.

"Damage caused by police that are not crimes" is so vague as to need clarification, as I can't imagine what that could even be... My point about stopping ALL crime with data is a very clear statement that has validity and merit.

Not understanding or having experience with something is not the same as it lacking validity and merit.

Without understanding the problems and ways police harm communities, throwing data at a problem is unlikely to result in good outcomes. Through the lens of “crime” harm is hard to separate from illegality. Driving with expired plates because you can’t afford it until next month is illegal, but it isn't causing the same amount of harm as burying that person under court fees and fines until they’re homeless. Unless you collect the right data, understand the data's meaning, data is useless.

Some starting places on harm police do to communities, if you’re interested:

- podcast: season 3 of Serial https://serialpodcast.org/season-three

- article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/over-policing-of-america_b_44...

- book: the end of policing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Policing

Re: I accidentally started a movement – Policing the Police by scraping court data

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Post by RobertRoberts »

kennywinker wrote: post #199
RobertRoberts wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Damage caused by police that are not crimes" is so vague as to need clarification, as I can't imagine what that could even be... My point about stopping ALL crime with data is a very clear statement that has validity and merit.

Not understanding or having experience with something is not the same as it lacking validity and merit. Without understanding the problems and ways police harm communities, throwing data at a problem is unlikely to result in good outcomes. Through the lens of “crime” harm is hard to separate from illegality. Driving with expired plates because you can’t afford it until next month is illegal, but it isn't causing the…

I am not sure why you are arguing against stopping crime. Maybe you misunderstood my posts.
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