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Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by notacoward »

phphphphp wrote: post #169
speakfreely wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who can run 5 miles at 7:15 pace is a pretty well conditioned athlete. If you can keep that pace for an hour, that shows some determination. Multiple hours is an incredible feat. 24 hours is just suprahuman.

I don't think the first part of that is true. That pace is a ~25 minute 5k which most reasonably healthy adults could build up to quite quickly; you certainly don't need to be a "well conditioned athlete" to do 5 miles at that pace. Anyway, doesn't change your point that maintaining the pace over 24 hours is super-human, very much agreed.

> ~25 minute 5k which most reasonably healthy adults could build up to quite quickly

For 5km, 25:00 would put you into the top 10% (median is 34:37).

https://runrepeat.com/how-do-you-masure-up-the-runners-perce...

That's out of those who post times in measured/timed events, so it would be an even better result compared to all runners, and better still compared to fit people specializing in other sports such as cycling. It's also for all ages. For example, in my own 50-59 age group that would be top 6% (median 36:36).

25:00 might not be all that impressive when you're looking on Strava, but in a broader context it really is closer to "well conditioned athlete" than to "reasonably healthy adult". BTW, since I know somebody will ad hominem at me if I don't say anything, I'm on schedule for 1000 miles this year and to that end I run 5km continuously (even on hills) at least once or twice a week. It takes a certain level of dedication independent of how generally fit you are.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by ars »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #141
ReptileMan wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was cycling I was joking that the bike is not much greener than the car, because it burns 4 ribeyes/100km or 17 miles/ribeye.

If we consider the average diet bikes are still around 1/3 the emissions of cars per mile. Obviously if you eat only meat that gets worse but I doubt it’s possible to exceed car emissions this way.

This has some data: https://keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog/climate-impacts-biking-v...

According to Table 1, a meat eating biker emits more CO2, than a double-occupancy Prius.

I suspect an EV would completely tip the table in favor of driving.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by inkcapmushroom »

psychomugs wrote: post #22
dmos62 wrote: post #5

I've started running and an unexpected challenge is boredom. The running is challenging as is, but doing it for ~1h30m has been, for me, well, tedious. I guess that's a byproduct of always being within arm's reach of a phone.

I run enough for others to classify me as a runner, and they are always surprised when I say that I almost never listen to music or bring anything more than a watch. For me, having to deal with The Suck and be alone with yourself and your feelings is part of the challenge.

I don't run but I do a lot of walking. My mind wanders a huge amount during my walks, which I find nice. I am usually so focused on preventing my mind from wandering, even in leisure activities, for example by focusing on a movie or book. Sometimes I stay up later because it means I'll fall asleep quicker and not be alone with my thoughts waiting for sleep for as long. But I think there's a definite need in the human mind for time to sort things out internally, even if (and maybe especially if) there's thoughts you're trying to escape from.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

nopinsight wrote: post #161

For many people, the risk to long-term health (and in some cases even sudden cardiac death) due to extreme running might not be worth it. Ultramarathon running: how safe is the sport? https://theconversation.com/ultramarathon-running-how-safe-i... Potential Long-Term Health Problems Associated with Ultra-Endurance Running: A Narrative Review https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-021-01561-3

Seems like this sport got him out of the drinking, eating, depressed type of lifestyle.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by notacoward »

twawaaay wrote: post #186
gnuj3 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He just wants others to tell him that he is.

No, I just want to say that probably most of healthy people (well, at the very least men) can, with a bit of preparation, achieve the above mentioned result with no prior history of doing any serious sports. It would require some effort but it is doable in 6 months. Why does everybody assume this is vanity?

The numbers simply don't agree with you. Instead of repeating myself, I'll just cite my other comment in this thread (including link to RunRepeat).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32900865

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Post by elil17 »

ars wrote: post #190
elil17 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans are much more energy efficient than cars, so it was less than 3/4 of a gallon (100 kcal/mile * 200 miles = 20,000 calories = 0.7 gallons of gas or about 6 pounds of body fat). He's probably much more efficient than 100 kcal/mile though.

That's not true, Humans are not more energy efficient than cars. Rather Humans are lighter than cars. A car as light as a human would get something like 1,000mpg (probably a fuel cell with an electric motor). https://sites.google.com/view/ebikestudy

That's a bit like saying a Honda Civic aren't more efficient than an Abrams tank because the Civic weighs less. They don't have the same capabilities, but one is gonna win on MPG for sure.

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Post by kiba »

BurningFrog wrote: post #19
dmos62 wrote: post #5

I've started running and an unexpected challenge is boredom. The running is challenging as is, but doing it for ~1h30m has been, for me, well, tedious. I guess that's a byproduct of always being within arm's reach of a phone.

That's why I can't do running. I can't get over the fact that it's a painful way to get from A to A. Some optimizing party of me is always screaming WE COULD JUST HAVE STAYED AT A! Now, if they're is a ball to chase and a game to win, I can run until I fall over...

You're running way too hard. Focus on zone 2, and it ain't so hard. Of course, you do want to go faster, but these training should be the minority of your run.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by bergenty »

Victerius wrote: post #23
bergenty wrote: post #6

This has to be with substances

Even if it is, it's still his leg muscles, his cardiovascular endurance, his ability to remain awake for 24 hours doing an intense exercise without collapsing of fatigue. Substances don't confer superpowers.

Yes they do, amphetamines would accomplish everything you wrote above. With enough hydration and amphetamines I’m certain even I could accomplish this and my general time for a mile over 20 miles is currently 8.5 minutes.

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Post by travisjungroth »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #177
travisjungroth wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The standard to pass the first phase of US Army Ranger School is 5 miles at 8:00 pace. Those aren't pro runners by any means, but shows a standard for a rather well conditioned group of people. They also need to do 49 push-ups and 59 sit-ups in 2 minutes each, plus 6 pull-ups.

I consider myself unfit and can do 10k at 7min/km ... not sure those numbers are right given 1km=.6mile

Maybe there's a conversion issue here. The fit Soldiers are running a pace of 8:00 per mile at the slowest. You (self-proclaimed unfit) are running a pace of 11:16 per mile. This is much slower. To change to speed and km, the slowest acceptable speed is 12 kmh. Yours is 8.5 kmh.

Source for Ranger numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Physical_Fi...

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by jeltz »

speedgoose wrote: post #121
ryannevius wrote: post #20

Aleksandr's training is public on his Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/26934035 Something to remember is that this is his pace _after_ pit stops, so his actual running pace was faster. Also notable is that this course was kind of terrible, with four 90 degree turns and three 180 degree turns each lap for 209 laps. There's little doubt that he could run > 200 miles on a course with fewer turns.

I didn’t know you could get a watch with more than 24 hours of battery life including GPS tracking (COROS APEX Pro). The accuracy is a bit weird though, the elevation chart doesn’t make sense.

I ran for 8:30 with my ancient Forerunner 235 and it still had some batteries left. Modern watches can easily do 24 hours, even the mid range Forerunner 255 can do 30 hours and the larger 955 can do 42 hours.
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