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Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Post by effingwewt »

soared wrote: post #100
effingwewt wrote: post #79

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Yea, we grew up pretty rural and we sold rabbits, goats, even horses as kids. We also traded them for equipment like ATVs, guns, or whatever we needed. OP has never left the city and so just assumes his life is all life. Even his statement 'do we ' just assumes we all believe as he does. Cole also probably did what many young business owners do and put it in his parent's names. Much of this is common place for countr…

He sold rabbits to restaurants located in California, which excludes the local rural-only argument.

Your comment makes zero sense.

Too many people didn't read the article, or skimmed it.

No one was saying he was selling/trading only locally, even the article says he had a contractor delivering the rabbits for him.

Again- what he did was on a much bigger scale than we did coming up, but no less different thab happens every day.

OP made it sound like fantastical nonsense.

I'm explaining why it is not.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Post by towaway15463 »

didibus wrote: post #184
towaway15463 wrote: post #162

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Wouldn’t an “adult prodigy” be referred to as a genius? Surely you believe there are people who are far more accomplished than 99.999% of the population that could be considered as such.

Are there adult geniuses? I'm not sure either. Like I said, I can't remember the source, so now I can't validate anything, but I don't really ever hear of adult geniuses (if you prefer to call them that). > Surely you believe there are people who are far more accomplished than 99.999% of the population that could be considered as such This will obviously be a personal interpretation. One could consider the number 1 c…

I think you’d have to answer what the difference is between that group of chess masters and the rest of the population. Could you pick any random adult person off the street and train them to compete and win against the best of the best? Would their training take as long or longer than the current chess masters? My gut feeling is that the small differences between high performing people are evident of a population of geniuses rather than evidence against genius being a thing. If we were talking about athletic performance instead then I think it would be more evident, there are natural athletes who have some combination of physiological traits that allow them to perform better than others with the same training.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Post by ohashi »

didibus wrote: post #134
peteforde wrote: post #95

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I consider this rebuttal to be exceptionally well-argued, and I thank you for it. You do raise several excellent points, and I have no interest in being a shill for the LDS church. And yes, Bari Weiss should be considered a red flag. My bad for letting her name slide past without a sniff test. I stand by my point that we shouldn't be so damn skeptical that there are exceptional young people, because I've known them p…

I remember reading some article about why there are no adult prodigy, only child prodigy. It went something like, the reason there are only child prodigy, and no adult prodigy, is because other kids eventually catch up. And that child prodigies are basically just children that are ahead compared to other kids of the same age. It looked at the data, and showed that once adult, child prodigies just distribute themselve…

As a counterpoint, if we look at the world of sports. I follow hockey quite closely. In hockey the term generational talent gets thrown around and assigned to kids, sometimes as young as 13-14. There is even an official recognition in the Canadian Major Junior system at 15 with "Exceptional Player Status" where a 15 year old is given eligibility to play in the league (normally 16+).

Some of these prodigies do level out, like you say. Often on account of their size being caught up to. But some truly remain remarkable into adulthood and actually hit that Generational talent level (Connor McDavid for instance). There's only been a handful of kids granted this status in the past 20 years (~7). The oldest 3, two turned into superstars (Tavares/Ekblad) and McDavid is generational, simply the best player in the world, full stop. The next is a bust, Sean Day, who at 15 was 6'2 when drafted into the juniors. That would be your everyone catches up example. The others are still too young to say, one is 22 and just beginning (but not looking like a superstar), one was just drafted this summer and likely will play his first game for Seattle this season. Another is the projected 1st overall pick next summer.

But there are definitely the handful of prodigies that pan out at least in the sports world and instead of being called a prodigy - they earn themselves superstardom or get talked about as GOATs (greatest of all time, for the unfamiliar).

If we also look at who are in the generational talent conversation (go in reverse), in the past 20 years all the players who might be mentioned (Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid) were definitely prodigies as well. So much so that the next generation of prodigies is compared to them, McDavid being called the next coming of Crosby. We may see the next coming of Ovechkin in a young russian player named Matvei Michkov who has been a prodigy in the russian league. Sadly, we may never find out given the political situation and Russia seems more intent on keeping home grown talent in Russia more and more.

Maybe the issue isn't prodigies disappear, it's that in many fields we don't compete like children often do and get recognition? None of my friends have a GPA at work or a spelling bee to win. If all careers were like sports, maybe we would continue to recognize prodigies into adulthood?

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Post by rlt »

LegitShady wrote: post #71
teekert wrote: post #6

“Don’t ever take ‘can’t’ as the answer unless you’ve verified that it is against the law or against the powers of physics,” Kevin wrote in his memoir. What a human. Such a great balance of a healthy brain and the confidence to trust it.

uber/airbnb: "and the law bit doesn't really count either, if you 'lobby' the right people"

Some laws are unjust, protect rent-seeking incumbents, etc.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Post by bobthepanda »

quantified wrote: post #101
bobthepanda wrote: post #73

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The normal requirements we expect in an industrialized society are the basics of reading and writing, and some math. Unschooling sure has its benefits, but the child will have to navigate an adult world where that is table stakes. We don’t want to consign students to a life of poverty because of a lack of literacy. https://archive.ph/1xaHW

Better have some science and civics too. I think the challenge is less about the mechanics (reading, writing) and more about the content expressed via these, as there has to be some element of common content as well.

At least in NYS, not only are the test criteria released, but there are actually previous years’ tests published for the purposes of practicing. https://www.nysedregents.org/elementary-intermediate.html

Their criteria is pretty basic “you need to be able to comprehend a 800-word news article”, and we are often failing to meet those standards with alternative education (which isn’t even just homeschooling, parochial systems have issues here too.)

At the end of the day, a service worker needs to be able to read the prices being wrung up on the cash register, and a factory worker should be able to read an instruction manual and safety rules. Not meeting those basic standards basically relegates you to a very small amount of jobs.

Re: A remarkable kid has died in Newcastle, Utah

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Post by jxramos »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #142
jxramos wrote: post #125

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I’ve been curious about homeschoolers and their perceptions and interactions with age ranges. I’ve heard criticisms about weird social distortions that manifest from the whole age stratification we find in schools through the grade system. Basically the values and preferences of a given age take on exaggerations among a bunch of peers that don’t get tempered by the opinions and thoughts from older peers and others ou…

I don't know that I really understand what you are trying to say. Simultaneously, I feel like the answer to the question is probably "It's far worse than you think." You take, say, 30 kids who happen live in the same area and are born within a particular year and shove them together in a class and they are all being shaped by the same teacher, the same curriculum, the same school system, their parents may know each o…

Yah I think there’s something to that. There’s this age delta in dating that’s a huge exaggerated deal if someone dates another a year or two older/younger in age cohort schools. There’s almost this disbelief and shock from the peers when they witnessed this narrow age gap being crossed. I used to always attribute the shock to the larger percent differences in age that are calculated in the younger years where a year relative to 10 or 14 is a much larger percentage of one’s age than at 26 or 35 and beyond. Come to think about it yah what was that shock all about and I think I agree that it probably has carried over in weird baggage into the adult age ranges. There’s like a weird mental adjustment upon first finding out about age differences in a given couple from split second shock and disbelief to like “oh yah that’s not that far apart anymore”. The problem with the age cohort model is that all people are assumed to develop at the same rate uniformly. That’s probably not true.
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