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Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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You don't have a problem with one of the most trafficked sites for programming/web startup-related news implementing HTTP incorrectly? Do you ignore whether your HTML is valid just because the browser rendered it correctly?

Yup. I've got real work to do. Making a validator happy is fake work.

Why don't you bother doing your real work right the first time? As long as there's a well defined spec, you might as well follow it instead of being creative and original when it comes to implementing standards.

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I alluded to some of the ways that I've seen people shoot themselves in the foot in a blog post a few years ago: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/the-web-is-a-fuzz-test-patch-y... "You would not believe the sort of weird, random, ill-formed stuff that some people put up on the web: everything from tables nested to infinity and beyond, to web documents with a filetype of exe, to executables returned as text documents. In…

The number of webpages with HTML that's just plain wrong (and renders fine!) is staggering. I often wonder what the web would be like if web browsers threw an error upon encountering a syntax error rather than making a best effort to render. If you're writing HTML, you should be validating it: http://validator.w3.org/

I often wonder what the web would be like if web browsers threw an error upon encountering a syntax error rather than making a best effort to render.

The web would have died in stillbirth and it would never have grown to where it is now.

"Be generous in what you accept" (part of Postel's Law) is a cornerstone of what made the internet great.

XHTML had a "die upon failure" mode, and it has died, why do you think XHTML was abandoned and lots of people are using HTML5 now.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Google.com has 39 errors and 2 warnings. Among other things, they don't close their body or html tags. Is there any real downside to having syntax errors?

For the Google homepage, every byte counts. I'm not surprised.

The introduction of the menu bar and other javascripty-ness demonstrates this is less the case than it used to be.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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post #122

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The number of webpages with HTML that's just plain wrong (and renders fine!) is staggering. I often wonder what the web would be like if web browsers threw an error upon encountering a syntax error rather than making a best effort to render. If you're writing HTML, you should be validating it: http://validator.w3.org/

Google.com has 39 errors and 2 warnings. Among other things, they don't close their body or html tags. Is there any real downside to having syntax errors?

It's interesting that you apparently actually checked a validator to get the error count, and yet the two things you cite as errors are not errors, have never been errors, and are not listed in the errors returned by the validator. Both opening and closing tags for the html, body, and head elements are optional, in all versions of HTML that I am aware of (outside of XHTML, which has never been seriously used on the open web as it isn't supported by IE pre-9). There is a tag reported unclosed by the validator, but that's the center tag.

Anyhow, one downside to having syntax errors might be that parsers which aren't as clever as those in web browsers, and which haven't caught up with the HTML5 parser standard, might choke on your page. This means that crawlers and other software that might try to extract semantic information (like microformat/microdata parsers) might not be able to parse your page. Google probably doesn't need to worry about this too much; there's no real benefit they get from having anyone crawl or extract information from their home page, and there is significant benefit from reducing the number of bytes as much as possible while still remaining compatible with all common web browsers.

I really wish that HTML5 would stop calling many of these problems "errors." They are really more like warnings in any other compiler. There is well-defined, sensible behavior for them specified in the standard. There is no real guesswork being made on the part of the parser, in which the user's intentions are unclear and the parser just needs to make an arbitrary choice and keep going (except for the unclosed center tag, because unclosed tags for anything but the few valid ones can indicate that someone made a mistake in authoring). Many of the "errors" are stylistic warnings, saying that you should use CSS instead of the older presentational attributes, but all of the presentational attributes are still defined and still will be indefinitely, as no one can remove support for them without breaking the web.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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If only we could all get our Google woes fixed in such a manner.

seriously. i can't get a hospital to show up in google maps... no human for me to talk to. HN is number 4 instead of 1 google page one, they're right on it.

You can fix this yourself.

In the lower-right corner of Google Maps there is a tiny link that says, "Edit in Google Map Maker". Click this link and you can edit Google Maps. Your edits get sent to Google and they'll approve/deny it in typically a few days.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Speaking of knowing ones shit your site listed in your profile billpatrianakos.com is dead - no dns being returned.

I know about that and it's on purpose. There's a number of reasons I want it that way for now. Way to be snarky for no particular reason. I didn't know offering up a sincere comment about PG roused so much emotion.

Actually I wasn't being snarky. Stuff like this happens and many times the owner of the site doesn't know it since they are using a local cached copy from their browser as only one example or the dns is cached so they are the last to find out. I was just pointing it out. And the only reason I saw it was that I read your comment. (Really) I see you've now removed the domain name from your profile now.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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If it is, apparently the person in question doesn't enjoy the Blackhat World forum very much, having made one post total.

And yet AznHisoka still seems to have time to recommend a colon cleansing product on Yahoo Answers to lots of different people: http://answers.yahoo.com/activity?show=EYIYH5R8aa :)

There's no hiding from Matt Cutts!

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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Matt, when you have a free minute, can you take a look at this? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3272528

Sure, some indexing folks are discussing this now.

btw, turns out the redirect I set up two days had broken a couple of links, but not the ones I care about. Fixed now, though.

Re: Suddenly, Hacker News is not the first result for 'Hacker News'

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post #90

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If you're looking to buy shoes, why should the organic results for [your favorite model] (likely wikipedia, the brand website, etc.) be better than ads?

That's exactly my point. I was responding to the parent's suggestion that "Google should simply deliver the best results, no matter what algorithm they use to do so." In the scenario you describe, the best results would be the stores (for example) where you would buy those shoes. Remember, organic doesn't have to mean non-commercial. In fact, if I search for best buy, the first organic result is bestbuy.com

It is obvious that the best organic result for a nav query like [best buy] is bestbuy.com. The issue is with queries like [some product], should it show amazon first? or bestbuy? or some local reseller?
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