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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #162
Georgelemental wrote: post #17

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Is it "their" platform if the server is hosted by people who are not them on hardware that is not theirs? They are just selling a license to use their executables, no? Or should be (I don't play Minecraft)

If it’s entirely self-hosted servers on the user’s own hardware, then how could Microsoft ban them? What would that even mean? Microsoft’s systems must somehow be involved for a ban to have any meaning.

They do authentication. And if you're banned they will refuse to give you your token.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by synicalx »

8jy89hui wrote: post #2

Does anyone have any insight into why Microsoft thought this was necessary? Minecraft has been server-moderated for years now and has been wildly successful. I've never heard of any hate groups or even hateful servers (I'm sure they exist, but they don't make the news in a way that would harm Microsoft). Is there some legislation that would make it a liability for Microsoft to not moderate all the chat? This move jus…

I'd say this is to appeal to parents, who buy Minecraft and authorise associated micro-transactions for their Minecraft-playing children. It's a much easier sell if MS can "guarantee" that little Timmy won't hear bad words.

At the end of the day it's a big market, one to which Minecraft is heavily targeted, and parental paranoia is very profitable.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by wvenable »

aliqot wrote: post #47
lolinder wrote: post #27

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Any attempt to understand "the users here" as a unit is misguided. Hacker News doesn't have a single opinion on anything. You get a different sub-community showing up for each thread depending on topic and time of day, so the sentiment will always fluctuate from thread to thread.

I oppose censorship in any form. It's the only perfect system that is achievable and can be what it claims, a space free of censorship. There is no 'only the bad things' that can be censored, as you've illuminated here, different people will have different sensibilities. In the mean time, however, we can educate ourselves and steel our nerves as we may come across ideas and content we don't agree with or care to be e…

I'm glad I got to hear your opinion but the only reason you were able to make it here is because this place is heavily moderated. No popular forums can survive a lack of censorship in any form.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by bigbacaloa »

lightsandaounds wrote: post #147
sidewndr46 wrote: post #122

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Wow, this is the most entitled attitude I've seen in a long time. You let your kids play online, where they can communicate with basically anyone. So the solution is to grant a central authority total power to ban anyone who doesn't comply with the standards you want for your children. This is the online equivalent of a homophobe complaining that two men holding hands in the park will turn their children gay.

I understand your point, but I would be upset if I took my family to Chuck E Cheese's and there was a table full of adults loudly talking about their raunchy escapades from the night before. I think it is a fair assumption that a child's game will have clean chat.

I don't have that expectation and don't want to have it (my son is a Minecraft enthusiast).

Folks from the US need to stop imposing their backwards values on the rest of us.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by Dylan16807 »

bisby wrote: post #48
garciasn wrote: post #19

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My 12 year old has been bombarded with the message this is coming and will be the end of HyPixel/SkyBlock from many of the prominent Minecraft YouTubers he watches. Let me tell you: if my money is down the drain because some little jackwagon mass-reports some random server and my kids’ accounts are locked, I’m gonna be fucking furious. If the hoopla around this is true, Microsoft is going to relive its 1990s level ha…

Microsoft profits off Bedrock ("Minecraft for WIndows") because they can charge for basically everything, because there are no mods (addons). Java edition is where the mods are. Which is why hypixel/skyblock are on java edition. Ive seen speculation that Microsoft is adding this to have a process for banning java edition players. And then they just... stop selling java edition. Then there are no new java players ever…

They just gave java edition to every bedrock owner, so I'm not very concerned about the "stopping sales" idea.

But this sure is a walled garden extension I don't like.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by ineptech »

ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I think "what Microsoft is trying to do" starts and ends with your kids having office.com logins.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by Aerroon »

djbusby wrote: post #161
Auracle wrote: post #150

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What a save! It’s amazing how from the launch of the game that quick chat has pretty much only been used sarcastically.

Yes. However, you see it's limited. Can't use the "bad" words.

But intent matters far more than the actual words used.

Somebody that's tilted is going to be annoyed by a message that's mocking them regardless how innocuous the words are in the message.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by Pxtl »

I know the business need but I've been very bothered by the fact that online gaming for kids has defaulted to mmo-style open servers.

My daughter asked to play Roblox and after looking into their system I said no.

I'm more than happy to let my kids online... to play with their friends, with content that was created by their friends or curated by professionals. Not to play with strangers in a slushpit if user-contributed content curated by an algorithm.

So I get why Minecraft is doing this, but imho it's the wrong approach. Make it easier for parents and kids to run a private server. Publish curated plugins for kids to load into said servers.

Let us parent, and let the pubs be pubs.

Instead MS seems to be following the Roblox approach of "trust our algo and our banhammer". Which, no.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by Aerroon »

Cr4shMyCar wrote: post #177
ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I do support more moderation and controls over chat, because god knows when I played Minecraft as a kid I saw so many conversations that weren't exactly appropriate. Kids on servers that aren't specifically kid-friendly worry me a lot, knowing how my friends and I banter and shit-talk. This is super heavy-handed and centralized moderation though, the consequences for mistakes or errors are huge. As far as I know, get…

>because god knows when I played Minecraft as a kid I saw so many conversations that weren't exactly appropriate.

And how much harm did this cause? Because I saw the same, but I don't see it having any real negative effect.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by piperswe »

groby_b wrote: post #173

"You can be banned for anything" here means "I couldn't just be a jerk whenever I want, so I'm upset". None of the ban reasons are particularly egregious for a game a lot of kids play. It's a social event, there are social norms, not sticking to them will get you ostracized. This is how society works and enforces sustainable and mutually beneficial interaction patterns.

Servers are a social event - that should be where the social norms apply. Different servers have different social norms. I should be able to use non-child-friendly language on a private server with adult friends (and friends of friends) without worrying about someone reporting me for it.
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