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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by jjulius »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #186
jjulius wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were to host your own forum, and people began using it to dox trans individuals with the explicit goal of harassing them, how would you react and what action(s), if any, would you take?

I don't understand the point of your example because that isn't what is happening here. Harassing is against the rules and will get you banned.

You are demonstrating a clear failure to understand not only the magnitude of what occurs, and can occur, when someone is doxx'd, but also KiwiFarms' history as a party to specific incidents of suicide and external harassment as a result of said doxx'ing on that site.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by Beltalowda »

badRNG wrote: post #85
hnburnsy wrote: post #49

Well I guess there is now limited ways for someone to evaluate for themselves on whether KF was posting horrific content without significant moderation. Guess we at least have Taylor Lorenz to tell us exactly what is going on here in a full and unbiased way. Someone here at HN at least posted this link which told more of the story than I have seen anywhere else. Also search the HN archives (for now at least it seems)…

It feels deeply disingenuous to claim that all KF is doing is "cataloging someone's online life" while refusing to talk about constant SWAT-ing, the cheering of their victims committing suicide, and the constant IRL harassment they organize against their victims. After Byuu, the emulator dev of bsnes, higan and more was harassed into suicide [1], harassment almost exclusively organized on KF, I've lost patience for w…

A lot of these claims are contested though; that's the point; it's been discussed a million times already, but if you look at the actual thread on KF (which is now hard to do, it seems) there really wasn't all that much going on until they suddenly killed themselves with a statement "it was due to KiwiFarms".

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by klyrs »

firstSpeaker wrote: post #96
manuelabeledo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm okay with removing someone from the internet if their business is to harass and dox people.

Absolutely. When there is a due process and it is done with the accordance of law that we are all supposed to abide. Not by unilateral decision of a tech CEO/Staff.

If somebody breaks into your house, you should wait for due process with accordance of law. Homeowners shouldn't make unilateral decisions about who is and is not legally allowed in their home.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by scrollaway »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #181
helf wrote: post #110

Amazes me the number of people who cry foul when something like this occurs. “Waaa censorship! This is evil! The internet is collapsing! Omg!” 1. Archive.org probably has just disallowed access. Not outright purged. 2. Shit drops off the internet literally every day 3. It’s a site full of edgelord incels who have a history of being complete pieces of shit 4. This isn’t a precursor to some horrible dystopian future of…

This isn't "shit dropping" off of the net.. This was the result of a true harassment campaign that finally resulted in a faux appeal to danger to literally force a completely legal site offline via illegal DDoS attack. (The stated goal of the media cheered campaign) And now an attempt to erase it's history. You're right that it isn't a precursor to some horrible dystopian future of corporate control.. because it is a…

> a true harassment campaign

People protesting a company is not "harassment". (Disclaimer: I'm an investor in Cloudflare)

> a faux appeal to danger

Law enforcement has been involved.

> a completely legal site

Yeah, no, at best it's in the black part of a very grey area until the slow US legal system catches up with the case.

> via illegal DDoS attack

Their various hosts dropped them. One of those hosts happened to also do DDoS protection, but that part is irrelevant if they have nowhere to host their website.

My advice to you: Stop browsing this type of forum. The brain rot via propaganda and misinformation is real. KF is not a victim. A bully is not a "victim" when their targets defend themselves.

If you rob me and I get you arrested after reporting you to the police, you're not the victim of a society ostracizing you, you're the perpetrator of crimes society doesn't tolerate. Quit hanging out with perpetrators.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by klyrs »

caeril wrote: post #179
jjulius wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were to host your own forum, and people began using it to dox trans individuals with the explicit goal of harassing them, how would you react and what action(s), if any, would you take?

Probably the same actions taken on antifa forums that are used to dox Trump-voting boomers with the explicit goal of harassing them: nothing. IA is not being "bad", here. They're just being inconsistent. Either doxing/harassment is casus belli to scrub content, or it's not.

The closest I've seen to this in real life is people pawing through 1/6 photos to identify criminals and report them to the police. I don't hang out on antifa forums tho, care to enlighten us where that's happening?

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by gruez »

klyrs wrote: post #193
firstSpeaker wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. When there is a due process and it is done with the accordance of law that we are all supposed to abide. Not by unilateral decision of a tech CEO/Staff.

If somebody breaks into your house, you should wait for due process with accordance of law. Homeowners shouldn't make unilateral decisions about who is and is not legally allowed in their home.

except in this case, the owner of the "house" (website) is fine with the visitors. Instead, another organization (the HOA?) wants to kick out the owner because they don't like the visitors that he's inviting.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by jjulius »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #189
Cr4shMyCar wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the problem though. Legal gears move slowly, and you know that Kiwifarms would've kept destroying people's lives and driving people to suicide until they got shut down. I would've preferred actual legal action rather than companies dropping KF because they're bad for business, but the end goal of getting them shut down is the same.

Who's lives and what deaths? Most of the (3) people claimed to have died, didn't claim anything of the sort. (in fact the one that activists like to bring up most, who is actually dead, literally blamed the mental health system and being made homeless the day before) The one person who did blame them seems to have died without leaving any proof for official records of both the Japanese or American governments. Just t…

Do you, or do you not, feel that it is OK to doxx individuals in the manner that occurs on KiwiFarms? Why or why not?

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by kome »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #86
kome wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

revoking the public access to dome material is kosher, but removing the material itself is not.

Which is probably what happened. IA doesn't remove content. They only hide it.

first: we don't know

second: if it's true they have to notify it; and explain how researchers can access to this material.

Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Post by HereIGoAgain »

jjulius wrote: post #191
HereIGoAgain wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the point of your example because that isn't what is happening here. Harassing is against the rules and will get you banned.

You are demonstrating a clear failure to understand not only the magnitude of what occurs, and can occur, when someone is doxx'd, but also KiwiFarms' history as a party to specific incidents of suicide and external harassment as a result of said doxx'ing on that site.

Doxxing is not illegal, if posting publicly available info can even be called that. The only suicide that was actually blamed on the site by the victim, is someone nobody can show any official or direct evidence of's death. The second of the 3 alleged deaths, literally blamed the mental health system and becoming homeless the day before.. no mentions of kiwifarms.. It was online "allies" after the fact that made the link among efforts to get the site shut down in the past. All of the claims largely cases of "if you say something enough times people will start repeating it"

This whole mess has some real rabbit holes, but anyone who does a little research will find a lot of the claims used to drum up hysteria are quite wanting in the way of facts or proof.

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