Never mind red meat deaths. Studies on kidney stones have been found to often involve p-forcing.
'Serious errors' in research linking deaths to red meat
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Re: 'Serious errors' in research linking deaths to red meat
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Why would you get anemia by following that advice?
Cause you need to eat specific plants to NOT get anemia over time. If your choice of plants is pepper, carrots, cucumber, tomatoes, salad, potatoes, you get no iron. You can eat plants and get enough iron (eat beans, also easy with meat), but it happens to be one condition I know about that most random dietary advice easily leads to.
Meat has iron. They don't say to be vegan, they say to eat mostly plants.
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Protein is not all you get from meat. If you want to replace meat, fine. But dont act like its just a protein swap. For instance you're not getting creatine and all the amino acids from beans amongst other nutrition. I also dont really understand the full appeal as mono-cropping has devastated forests and animal species. And those harvesting machines kill many animals in the fields.
This is like a bingo card of bad arguments
Or good arguments depending on your point of view.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'd be surprised to know that there are some other stuff holding proteins that's not meat. Like fish or chickpeas, or lentils, or beans, or seeds, or buts, or broccoli...
Protein is not all you get from meat. If you want to replace meat, fine. But dont act like its just a protein swap. For instance you're not getting creatine and all the amino acids from beans amongst other nutrition. I also dont really understand the full appeal as mono-cropping has devastated forests and animal species. And those harvesting machines kill many animals in the fields.
How does vegetarianism or veganism promote monoculture? I associate mono-cropping with production of animal feed and hyper-processed human feed, not with growing crops for vegans.
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The main issue here is the bioavailability of those proteins when digesting. red meat is 100% digested and bioavailable for all amino acid that are required for life. Bio availability of protein in plant is far lower, and doesn’t cover the full amino-acid profile. But well, I worship Darwin and let the vegans dying from malnutrition. Latest story is that mother getting life sentence after killing her baby with vegan…
> I worship Darwin and let the vegans dying from malnutrition. Please don’t be snarky.¹ Known athletes trivially disprove that claim.² ³ ¹ https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ² https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/nate-diaz-and-other-vegan... ³ https://www.livekindly.com/vegan-athletes-swear-by-plants/
If it works for them, so be it. The one thing that this quite obvious with diet and nutrition is that there is no “one size fits all” diet for everyone.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, it's possible to mix and match at get close to a complete profile. But, this requires more accountability than people are willing to do with their own diets. People have a hard enough time not eating themselves into hyper-obesity, and now they have to factor in amino profiles verses just eating some red meat from time to time. On the whole, I've met more unhealthy vegans and vegetarians than healthy ones.
> On the whole, I've met more unhealthy vegans and vegetarians than healthy ones. How do you know the diet of everyone you meet? How are you assessing the health of your acquaintances? > People have a hard enough time Are things not worth doing because they are difficult? Exercising is pretty inconvenient - doesn't mean we should give up on it.
> How do you know the diet of everyone you meet? How are you assessing the health of your acquaintances?
Oh, they'll tell you, together with their pronouns.
> Are things not worth doing because they are difficult? Exercising is pretty inconvenient - doesn't mean we should give up on it. I've been vegan for long periods of time and I've always tended to veganism because of the science. When my symptoms started becoming intolerable and doctors said it was all "stress" I switched to carnivore.
I tried both sides and dieting while eating a high carb, low fat diet is insanely hard: you're hungry all the time and you keep snacking. You need to calorie count everything.
Dieting on a carnivore diet is easy. You'll get full by eating fat, you won't be able to put more in you. No calories counting needed, you're never hungry.
Re: 'Serious errors' in research linking deaths to red meat
#197I think any study that says eating meat is unhealthy has to have a much higher standard of proof because there is so much money floating around from environmental and animal rights activists to fund any scientist who is willing to make that case.
Meat is a $2 trillion industry globally but you're primarily worried about the corrupting influence of activists' donations?
It’s the nexus between activist funding, friendly media channels, and the social promotion due to like minded folks interested in pressing a specific agenda that often causes some bad science and studies to leak out.
Goes both ways of course.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I was a journal, and I was promising to publish a study once it is completed, I'd ask for exclusivity rights. Which goes to show the whole issue with this idea.
Again that didn't change anything when compared to the current situation. Journals do ask for exclusivity when they publish things. The don't ask for it just for submission. And the same reasons for why they don't now (nobody would submit anything to them) apply for the OP's idea. In fact, all the changes only make the life of the researcher easier, because he would only have to present a proposal for the journals to…
> Again that didn't change anything when compared to the current situation.
Journals do ask for exclusivity when they publish things. The don't ask for it just for submission.
You contradict yourself. It absolutely changes things.
> Now he has to complete his research before he gets the denial.
It could degrade the incentive for the researcher to do great work, if they knew that they would be published.
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I tend to agree, however, it does strike me as odd that when I went on carnivore diet for a couple months, it was the best I had ever felt in my life. First week was awesome, every week after that was a chore. It’s just really boring.
This is a good post, and worthy of more study. My point: Your experience is both physical and mental. Both should be measured! In some cultures, this diet is called "keto", which is basically a combo of low carb and high protein. How long did you last and what was the result?
> this diet is called "keto", which is basically a combo of low carb and high protein
Sorry, but this is inaccurate. A Keto diet is basically low carbohydrate and high fat. Protein is generally consumed in relatively moderate amounts on a successful Keto diet. The goal of the keto diet is basically to replace the bodies preferred energy source from using glucose to using fat. Excess protein can be used by the liver to create glycogen and inhibit the bodies ability to burn fat for energy. Excess protein will mean you never reach ketosis, which is the measurement used to determine if your body is burning fat for energy instead of carbs.
It’s a common mistake though, because everybody assumes it’s high protein.
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Prediction markets are an interesting alternative solution. If people can make money by correctly predicting the outcomes of experiments, and you have a way to prevent profit-driven bias impacting outcomes (e.g. independent experiment designers and performers, and the performers can't participate in the market but maybe get a cut of the transaction fees so that more "interesting" experiments get performed), then you…
If prediction markets could help, we wouldn't need science.
Then how would you resolve the markets? The predictions would be about the outcomes of experiments...