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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ehnto » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:22 AM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #55

oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I just completed a ~1600km drive back from visiting family. Half way through the outbound trip, in the middle of the mountains, I had to make a 300km detour due to a massive accident (two semi trucks head-on closed a mountain highway for more than a day). The detour was through a valley with no cellphone coverage for 150+km. At a rest stop I met a tesla driver in a panic. Without internet he was unable to figure out…

Plugin series hybrids are becoming popular here in Australia where distances and use cases like that are common. Same approach that diesel electric trains use for similar reasons. EV drivetrain with an ICE generator. Efficiency and drivability of the EV drivetrain, with robust fueling options. You may rarely need the petrol generator in daily commuting, but then you head interstate and have all the current infrastructure to work with.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by AYBABTME » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:22 AM UTC

therealrootuser wrote: post #187

As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

The early adopters prove the market and make it so that charging infrastructure becomes more prevalent.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by NegativeLatency » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:23 AM UTC

seltzered_ wrote: post #186

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

more than $2000, but https://www.litmotors.com/ was trying to do an enclosed self-balancing two-wheeler for a decade (their Founder/CEO has a pretty bad injury a few years ago) - supposedly they're reforming but we'll see.

Every few years I checkin to see how they’re doing, really would love to have one of these.

With the way cars and SUVs are growing though I feel like more mass and crumple zones are necessary for a safe driving experience though

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:23 AM UTC

therealrootuser wrote: post #187

As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.)

I've lived in two apartment buildings that had electric car chargers. In both buildings, the chargers were constantly engaged.

Hopefully some of that electric infrastructure money ends up putting chargers in private and public parking garages. I think that would give people more confidence that they could switch.

Related question: Once you charge an electric car, how long can it sit before it discharges on its own? Like how if you charge your cell phone, but even if you don't use your phone, eventually the batteries will still run out.

I don't drive much, so I wonder if it is practical for me to charge an EV in an apartment garage, then move it to another space and leave it for a week or two or three and it still be full?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:24 AM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #171

sephamorr wrote: post #130

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Interesting perspective. Another view: solar panels on your roof, using your car battery for your house nighttime needs means that during doomsday your energy intensive lifestyle doesn't have to change at all.

It is dangerous to assume that everyone lives in a house with a roof, or that they are free to reconfigure thier home's electrical systems. I certainly cannot.

Well if you live in an apartment complex, I'm pretty sure storing large amounts of gasoline in your apartment isn't allowed either, so there's not a difference.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by random314 » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:24 AM UTC

fy20 wrote: post #113

peyton wrote: post #89

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Most Norwegian BEV owners also own an ICE for the winter. Adoption is high due to incentives.

More importantly, most of the places where people live in Norway are not actually that cold. In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.

Most folks would consider -20C cold AF.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:25 AM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #86

sandworm101 wrote: post #84

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More inconvenient facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_OLgC4nV0 88,000 people in perhaps 50,000 vehicles all taking the ONE road out of town. Some kind companies setup fuel trucks by the roadside to top up tanks. Gas delivery can be scaled up and even made portable in an emergency. Had those 50,000 vehicles all been EVs, tens of thousands of people would…

It seems like cars are the problem here though? If people want to live in remote areas and pollute a ton, that's just fine as long as they pay to clean up the mess they make for everyone else. Direct carbon capture from the air is about $500/ton right now, which is only about $5/gallon of gas.

If people want to live in remote areas

This is an easily solved problem. Just stop eating. Once you stop eating, then we don't have to have farmers and their remotely-located support communities growing food for you.

For bonus points, stop using computers. Electronics are made up of all kinds of metals that are mined in remote locations. So, stop using electricity at all, if you're really concerned about this.

And while you're at it, give up toilet paper. It comes from trees that are waaaay out in the forest. If you stop wiping, then we don't have to truck trees to paper mills to make toilet paper for people in the city to use.

Do your part.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by Georgelemental » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:25 AM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #85

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #76

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Your facts are inconvenient and will probably just be dismissed sadly. EVs need to win by being better without more risk, not by trying to ban people currently using ICEs.

When gas cars were first around, people carried extra gas around with them. Eventually we built gas stations, but somehow cars still got a toehold even without those gas stations pre-existing. There are very very very few places without electricity in the world. Are there some places where emergency conditions make travel inconvenient or uncertain? Sure, but these rare situations are narrowing daily. If that was the…

> There are very very very few places without electricity in the world.

In the first world. Billions live in places with no or unreliable electricity.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by NegativeLatency » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:25 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

https://dutchbikes.nl/home/

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by NegativeLatency » Mon, Sep 05, 2022, 4:26 AM UTC

endisneigh wrote: post #148

crooked-v wrote: post #144

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> That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. You can already get exactly that kind of vehicle for relatively cheap, though not as cheap as you're proposing... it's called an electric golf cart or, for the upscale versions, an "e…

LSVs have basically all of the disadvantages of cars without any of the advantages considering used beaters are a thing imho.

Or a used smart car