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Re: Cannabis legalization decreases stock market value of major pharmaceutical firms

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Post by jjulius »

yodsanklai wrote: post #186
nobody9999 wrote: post #173

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>The only thing that would touch that pain was opioids. I had a similar experience, albeit (and thankfully so) much more short term. I had spine surgery (lumbar laminotomy[0]) to address spinal stenosis[1] that significantly weakened my right leg and was prescribed oxycodone after the surgery. I had prepared for this by acquiring significant amounts of cannabis (concentrate, butter and flower) to address the pain, bu…

> cannabis was insufficient to address the pain. Not only cannabis isn't a good painkiller, but it comes with very strong side-effects: it makes you totally unable to do any activity. This is fine for a recreational usage, but for a therapeutic usage, it's a serious problem. Especially when alternatives exist.

>Not only cannabis isn't a good painkiller, but it comes with very strong side-effects: it makes you totally unable to do any activity.

Well that is just completely, wildly untrue, and laughably so. C'mon now.

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Post by notsavvy »

asset management groups are not so happy with this since they deal with pharma, bar/entertainment, and other areas that are receiving profit drops. they could sell on site but even then people would homegrow then smoke use before entering.

but pharma is very upset because with extreme pain the patient is given a pain killer and an antianxiety med. cannabis happens to be both.

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Post by 1659447091 »

mod wrote: post #149
Zagill wrote: post #138

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Yeah that was basically my experience. I took a few of them but nothing noticeable happened so I just didn't bother taking more. Funny enough that was also true when I tried a couple ADHD meds. Didn't feel a difference, not even withdrawal symptoms from going cold turkey after a few months. Maybe I'm just weird...

Same--tried adderall twice, couldn't tell the difference. I'm not high-caffeine intake or anything either. Nothing that should mask it.

vitamin C can stop/reduce the absorption of adderall...took awhile to figure that one out when I restarted while on an orange juice/smoothie/berry kick

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Post by sva_ »

soared wrote: post #189
yodsanklai wrote: post #186

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> cannabis was insufficient to address the pain. Not only cannabis isn't a good painkiller, but it comes with very strong side-effects: it makes you totally unable to do any activity. This is fine for a recreational usage, but for a therapeutic usage, it's a serious problem. Especially when alternatives exist.

Totally unable to do any activity is not a side affect of cannabis. If that happens to you, you’ve taken too much.

Admittedly, some people don't react well to them.

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Post by sva_ »

Zagill wrote: post #24
meroes wrote: post #6

Yay. Recreational marijauna user here and opioids scare the crap out of me. Had to take 10 oxycodone after a surgery and if they can hand those out they can hand out marijauna capsules or whatever. It's really that simple.

It's still crazy to me that I was just given hydros when I got my wisdom teeth out at 18. I didn't even need them, I was barely sore.

I got 400mg ibuprofen for 3 days and was fine. The surgery was also local anesthesia.

I know you can consume cannabis orally, but I think smoking wouldn't be good either, since it can cause dry socket.

I think in most cases, Ibuprofen would be enough.

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Post by Theodores »

meroes wrote: post #6

Yay. Recreational marijauna user here and opioids scare the crap out of me. Had to take 10 oxycodone after a surgery and if they can hand those out they can hand out marijauna capsules or whatever. It's really that simple.

I like to search and replace 'cannabis' with 'cake'. It has been a while since I have baked a cake but there is only an absence of a cake tin to stop me doing that now.

Cake has sugar in it and I am addicted to sugar. I can talk about sugar with my doctor, he can ask me how many cakes I am scoffing and answer almost honestly.

Unlike most food there is VAT on cake. If I make my own cake I deprive the tax man but I did pay tax on the cake tin, the electricity and the chocolate.

I could make cake and sell it to my workmates, putting that vending machine out of business, partially since I am not yet frying 'crisps'.

Imaginably HR could be onto me after a while, the stern email would arrive and a multitude of issues relating to the validity of my 'food hygiene certificate' could come to the fore. But I would still be fine bringing in cake for a workmate's birthday.

Really cannabis needs to be something you can do at home without anyone coming for you. If you want to spend months growing plants then you are probably going to learn more about horticulture and get significant benefits from just doing that, growing plants. Much like making a cake, there is enjoyment in the baking that is separate to the eating.

This might be fun to do as a student but, in a world where one can't be bothered to bake a cake, I imagine people will move on with their lives and not have a mini cannabis plantation at home.

It used to be the same with beer, you could brew your own at home with much fun to be had perfecting your brew. There is nothing to stop you doing that now, however, the kit is not generally sold on the High Street like it used to be - people stopped bothering, they just buy booze rather than brew.

If you are growing your own weed and medicating for pain or childhood trauma, you should be able to tell your doctor, much like how you can discuss alcohol or sugar consumption. In that way we can better understand these things.

Getting back to the article with search and replace on, the active ingredient for cakes and beer is yeast or a yeast substitute. I can't see how sales of yeast or sugar for home grown cake/beer making can affect the stock value of the big industrial food concerns or brewers.

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Post by mod »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #77
notch656a wrote: post #7

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I think a lot more people would switch to weed if: 1) You couldn't get a DUI at T+1-2 days after smoking. Many states including my own, merely need to show marijuana metabolites in your blood to convict for DUI. 2) Gun rights. You're staring down the barrel of 5+ years in jail of the feds find you in possession of weed with a firearm, even if pot is legal in your state. Until those two things are fixed, anyone who de…

1 is a serious problem. 2 is self inflicted. As no one depends on a firearm to protect their family, the solution is simple. Just don’t own a firearm.

1 is self inflicted. As no one depends on a car to move their body, the solution is simple. Just don't own a car.

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Post by thebigjewbowski »

samatman wrote: post #188
thebigjewbowski wrote: post #179

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I’m always curious about using ketamine for situations like this. I’ve found that with medical marijuana you still feel the pain but you just don’t care because you’re stoned, granted I haven’t had pain such as yours. With ketamine, at low doses you get a disassociated effect without much cognitive load but I haven’t taken it when I was in pain and unfortunately don’t have ready access to it anymore. I’d taken Vicodi…

I can answer this actually. I bulged a disk in my back, new job, no health insurance. My boss was a friend and knew I was a weirdo. I would bike (!) to work, take a keytip of ketamine, program for about an hour, lay down, do a gravity inversion (had one shipped to the house we were using as an office), do another minimal key, I could get three, maybe four of those out of a day. I hate the effect of opiates except for…

That’s great to hear!

It does seem to be gaining in popularity for anxiety and depression.

I really can’t imagine it being as destructive as opiates having known plenty of people who have done both to the extent of having a habit with only opiates ruining people’s lives and killing some them. As far as I understand it ketamine is more of a psychological dependence than a physical one.

Time will tell I suppose.

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Post by bamboozled »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #108
qazwse_ wrote: post #64

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Just take a look at Canadian legal market. The grey market always outperforms it and many have begun shunning the expensive legal weed. This is not true, the opposite is happening. Illegal market share continues to decline, with 63% of people reporting buying from legal outfits in 2021, versus 43% in 2019. https://www.ccsa.ca/sites/default/files/2022-06/CCSA-Cannabi...

And this is precisely what you'd expect, right? Initially, almost every regular smoker already has a cheaper grey/black market hookup, because that was the only way to get it, and gradually that withers away.

Not to mention buying legal is super fun.

Going into stores, trying new strains, flavours etc. So much fun.

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Post by pstuart »

nobody9999 wrote: post #173
jnovek wrote: post #66

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They’re not completely useless, but I agree that we overprescribe them. I had a kidney stone with complications that required three procedures to take care of. The only thing that would touch that pain was opioids. It was a miserable experience and, thanks to the opioids, I essentially have a four-month hole in my memory. They made me nauseous, dizzy and cognitively useless. I had to titrate off of them because I had…

>The only thing that would touch that pain was opioids. I had a similar experience, albeit (and thankfully so) much more short term. I had spine surgery (lumbar laminotomy[0]) to address spinal stenosis[1] that significantly weakened my right leg and was prescribed oxycodone after the surgery. I had prepared for this by acquiring significant amounts of cannabis (concentrate, butter and flower) to address the pain, bu…

I find kratom superior to cannabis in this regard. Of course kratom is not without concerns, but in the scheme of things they're just unpleasant rather than deadly.
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