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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by gjulianm »

blakes wrote: post #37
mmaunder wrote: post #31

Cool, but try to get 25Gbps on your mac. It's tough. We have our own 10 gig symmetrical fiber backbone connection and wanted 25Gbps on a mac in our film production facility. Thunderbolt maxes out at 40Gbps so you're already close to the max data transfer rate for a peripheral. We had to use ATTO's hardware which is bulky, a pain to configure on a macbook (you need to bond two interfaces) and honestly most of the time…

In the Windows world one would just get a 25Gb NIC and be good to go. * and supporting network equipment/cabling of course

I think it would be hard to get that NIC on a laptop though.

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Post by ksec »

dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

10Gbps wont ever be consumer grade. There is nothing on the roadmap which suggest we could bring down the cost of 10Gbps Ethernet to say within 2x of 1Gbps Ethernet. 2.5/5Gbps have a much better chance, and it will require some market narrative to push for that. Such as WiFi 7 ( 802.11be ) getting 10Gbps wireless speed but stuck with only 1Gbps Port. It doesn't matter whether that is true in real world, but with enough Social Media push and marketing, we could push vendor to incorporate 2.5 and 5Gbps. Then we may have some chances of seeing 2.5/5Gbps replacing 1Gbps Ethernet.

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Post by sofixa »

dweekly wrote: post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

> prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port

They are, but they aren't out of reach - i recently bought 2 Zyxel managed switches with 3x 2.5/5/10G and one SFP+ ports alongside 8x 1G ports for 200€ each. That's not cheap, but it's not super expensive either, and most consumers can get away with unmanaged switches. The unmanaged version has 2x2.5 and 2xSFP+ and comes for 120€.

So we're getting there in terms of availability.

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Post by hocuspocus »

fomine3 wrote: post #164
aetherspawn wrote: post #90

Considering that 10G fiber gear is not very expensive at all (ie 28 port fiber switch - $1000) I’ve wondered what the hold-up is on 10Gbps SFP+ becoming a standard. In Australia we’re shamefully paying $1150 per month for our business symmetrical 10G SFP+ (shaped to 1/1G), but a 1G 1000/40 connection is only $100/mo.

FTTH network uses PON to reduce expensive 1:1 wiring for each home (but YMMV). Simple fiber switch can't be used for PON.

Here in Europe it's mostly big ISPs that deploy PON. From what I understand it only makes sense with a large customer base. Small ISPs typically have P2P deployments and use standard switches.

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Post by Thaxll »

basilgohar wrote: post #170
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

There's more to Internet than downloading data straight to disk. Families can have multiple kids taking online classes while both parents are also working remotely. Many families have multiple devices per person that can be streaming, downloading, OR UPLOADING (commonly the aspect shortchanged in residential Internet) which, at times, can easily saturate a 1Gb connection. We always need to advance because others are…

1Gb connection is 120MB/sec, there is no way to saturate that for a regular family.

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Post by theandrewbailey »

mabbo wrote: post #101

I recently upgraded to 1.5gbps and realized a few things. The downsides: the Cat5e cables inside my condo walls can't handle more than 1.0gbps; my desktop's network port also maxes out at 1.0gbps; the wifi router in my home can't do more than 600mbps even if standing right next to it. But also, nothing I do needs this much bandwidth. I can download any steam game in the blink of an eye. I can watch streaming video at…

I noticed the same years ago. I have ~250mbit FiOS. I could upgrade to 1 gigabit for another $20 per month, but I don't feel that my life would be $20 per month better. Websites and Youtube wouldn't download any faster. Due to latency, work won't get any faster. I buy and install new games maybe once per year, but is saving an hour once a year really worth the extra $240 for that year? I don't think so.

I'm the only one at my house. My brother might come over, but that's just one low-end phone on wifi, which feels like a rounding error on ~250mbit.

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Post by Forgeties79 »

nippoo wrote: post #35
Forgeties79 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah frankly I just hardline for 1Gbps and anything over like…I don’t know, 1TB? I just ship a drive. Anything beyond 1 or 2 requires too much effort to make work for me. It helps that I’m an in-house video producer at a tech company and not working at a post house/on major sets anymore haha

The main current use case for this isn't people syncing their Dropboxes very fast, it's businesses and groups of users who can now all reliably each get gigabit+ speeds rather rather than slowing down when multiple people share a connection...

Sure, but I’m talking about my use case/the use case for most freelancers. We are shipping drives and transmitting footage constantly.

Hell fiber enabled me able to start charging people to send it quickly because it was cheaper than buying and shipping a drive (usually $80-$100). I just started going “I’ll have it to you in a few hours for $35” and call it a day.

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

basilgohar wrote: post #170
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

There's more to Internet than downloading data straight to disk. Families can have multiple kids taking online classes while both parents are also working remotely. Many families have multiple devices per person that can be streaming, downloading, OR UPLOADING (commonly the aspect shortchanged in residential Internet) which, at times, can easily saturate a 1Gb connection. We always need to advance because others are…

> which, at times, can easily saturate a 1Gb connection.

The only thing that can saturate 1 Gb in practice in my experience are large downloads.

Video conferencing, streaming etc. uses well below 100 Mbps (even 4k Netflix seems to be 25 Mbit/s). You'd need dozens of such applications running at the same time to come even close to saturating Gbit.

This may change over time, but right now, there is very little need for going beyond 1 Gbps for households. And honestly, I think the change will take a long while, because 4k is still not ubiquitous, anything higher than that isn't much of a thing, and even the next step after 4k (assuming it needs 4x the bandwidth) will still be easily handled by a Gbit line even for large households.

A 100 GB game download taking 14 minutes with a saturated line is not going to be a reason for most people to pay for faster hardware all along the path (router, cabling, NICs, ...).

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Post by basilgohar »

basilgohar wrote: post #170
TylerE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how much of a push this will really be? For the vast majority of people even vanilla gigabit is of limited benefit... that's on the edge of what a consumer SSD is writing at.

There's more to Internet than downloading data straight to disk. Families can have multiple kids taking online classes while both parents are also working remotely. Many families have multiple devices per person that can be streaming, downloading, OR UPLOADING (commonly the aspect shortchanged in residential Internet) which, at times, can easily saturate a 1Gb connection. We always need to advance because others are…

Replying to my own comment. My examples weren't the greatest as I was traveling while composing it.. I agree that my examples would not push a symmetric 1Gb connection to its limits.

I was trying more to make the point that folks were giving arbitrary examples like SSD speeds when there are other kinds of usage that have other limits or could potentially change with time.

If residential speeds only target the "average" case, that'll artificially slow advancement. Many places outside the US have much faster speeds than are available here and we should not invent reasons to slow the shift to faster access. At least it shifts the needle a little and puts additional pressure on the lazy ISPs that still offer 90s-era ADSL speeds.

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Post by zbrozek »

mlyle wrote: post #169
zbrozek wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that Steam decompression pegs one core of my CPU and downloads get stuck at 550-600 mbps. It would take a lot less time if it didn't compress anything.

Yup, about the same for me (maybe slightly faster). Sometimes games have assets that compress really well, and then I end up downloading at 400mbps and maxing out my SSD writing.

Haha, yeah I bet most people who play games these days have a faster CPU than I do. My machine is eight years old.
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