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Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

#191

Another solution that the article doesn't mention: separate the email address from the email provider. It really is the domain name that is your legal identity. Make it as easy for people to register a personal domain name as it is for them to sign up for free email so they can switch from Gmail to Hotmail to Protonmail without changing their email address. Edit: We then need a standard for discoverable DNS settings…

What about something more like how tor sites generate url tokens and route traffic?

That way whoever owns the private key will always own the address. It cannot be seized.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

#192
post #24

Before writing about your bulletproof technical solution to this problem, think about all of your older relatives on facebook. Is the solution something they'll be able to handle?

As long as emails can be routed to/from the old system, more technical adopters can still adopt a more secure solution.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

#193
post #18

"You can take some control over your own identity in the current email-based online ecosystem by renting a domain name" Originally, the idea was that you owned a domain name. Gradually, domain registrars have moved this to the concept that you're just renting it from them. Although you can still transfer domains to another registrar. I'd like to find a domain registrar whose contractual terms stated that you own your…

For the moment the rents are cheap and domain revocations are few enough that, practically speaking, this is how it is now.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #25

It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

Gandi.net gives you two mailboxes with unlimited aliases in France for every domain you rent. This is a very easy alternative for most people who cannot run a mail server.

I used Gandi for exactly this purpose years ago. Then emails from certain popular domains suddenly stopped getting through to me. When I complained, they told me in somewhat vague language to use a proper email service instead of a free add-on to a cheap domain plan.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #25

It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

Having the gov't control you email isn't a good solution for various reasons. We've all seen the privacy abuses as well as abusive enforcement/gov't seizures from police and prosecutors. This is better in some countries and dystopianly worse in others.

What we need is a system where we can efficiently route messages to/from public keys like the tor url system.

This way you always own your address and no one can ever take it away without the private key.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

#196
post #119

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Agreed. And Migadu has quite cheap plans and very good service during the two years that I use them. Not affiliated, just a happy customer.

Zoho has a free plan that I've been happy with although its only been a month since I moved to them from gmail.

Yeah I found them a few months ago when looking for providers, and it's insane how cheap they are. $1/mo gets you a custom domain email, and a bunch of online office/productivity apps.

Only issue I see is that their mobile apps seem to be a joke when it comes to privacy. I wouldn't trust them not to read/scan my emails either, but that's not always a deal breaker.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #47

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How do you own a domain? If you rely on a registrar, it just move the identity owner from an email provider to a registrar. Real overkill method is own a TLD. It's unrealistic for an individual though.

Registrars are not infallible, but are a big step above in term of stability. There is the ideal view that you should be able to have your own virtual island where absolutely nothing can deprive you of ownership (including existing govs. depending on your beliefs), and I kinda root for the people who try to push it as far as possible. But pragmatically, registering your domain goes a very long way and is IMO the best…

I agree and it's what I do. But I think there is one valid counter argument. If you have to pay for something, then there is always additional potential for loss of access that doesn't exist with free services.

That potential is perhaps even greater with domain registrars and all the other service providers involved in email services (registrar, domain host, email provider). Any issue with any of these services could mean you're not getting notified of problems and you may no longer be able to get into the admin account.

And if you try to avoid that by storing a different notification/recovery email with them (if at all possible), it opens another can of worms. My main domain almost expired on one occasion because I didn't get the renewal reminders at the alternative address I had stored there years ago. I had simply forgotten about it.

And after I had canceled my legacy G Suite account recently, I received a message from Google at one of my old recovery addresses telling me that this G Suite (Workspace) account was going to be automatically upgraded unless I log in to check some box. Only I could no longer log in as the account didn't exist any more, nor could I contact support as that requires logging in as well.

Every single account I pay for requires some sort of constant monitoring and maintainance. Otherwise, things just degrade and access is eventually lost. That's why I'm not sure whether I would really recommend everyone rent their own domain.

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

#198
post #25

It is a bit overkill, but the closest you can get to owning your online identity is to "own" your own domain. sarcastiquotes used because you don't really own a domain you only rent it. I run my own mail server because I am a sys-admin and running a mail-server is something I do for fun. but the amount of agency you gain once you have a domain is staggering. people without a domain are pretty much second class net ci…

Agreed. I've had my own domain for 20+ years now. I've run my own mail server for it, but eventually moved to Fastmail and couldn't be happier.

My sister and mother also now have their own domains, administered by me. :)

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

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post #6

The problem with several of these email subscriptions is that they will reissue your email address to another if you leave them, with all the risks that entails. The answer is to buy and use your own domain or get someone else to do it.

Both an email-address and a domain name have a use-after-free risk. Doubly so if an expired domain issued email-addresses to users

Re: Your online identity is owned by your email provider (2019)

#200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gandi.net gives you two mailboxes with unlimited aliases in France for every domain you rent. This is a very easy alternative for most people who cannot run a mail server.

I used Gandi for exactly this purpose years ago. Then emails from certain popular domains suddenly stopped getting through to me. When I complained, they told me in somewhat vague language to use a proper email service instead of a free add-on to a cheap domain plan.

Did you have difficulty receiving or sending mail? I haven't noticed such problems with my Gandi inboxes, but I know the big email providers like Google and MS do a lot of gatekeeping. If the host in France is the problem, you can use your domain at another host such as Proton.me which I do for my main account.
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