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Why is it unfair?
Taking a random stab: one argument could be that competition drives down profit margins. By reducing competition, China makes their tech artificially profitable locally, allowing them to compete in international markets on an uneven playing field.
I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?
Why on earth is this even allowed in IOS in the first place ? Why do apps have the ability to control and change the browser? Instead of using the default one? Like android.
Is this the exact type of security Apple is supposed to be protecting its customers from?
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People are going to reply to you with the usual "we are better than them", "we are a democracy" etc., but reciprocity clauses are very common in areas like international trade, travel, disarmament treaties, emissions control and lots more. In fact China would never have been allowed into the WTO (which happened in 2001) had they not made sweeping changes to their economy and assured the world that they would compete…
"had they not made sweeping changes to their economy and assured the world that they would compete on a fair playing field, rules that they still (mostly) have to follow today. " This is really quite false. Rules are broken all the time, they are difficult to arbitrate, and often they are not. The CCP requires foreign entities to surrender critical IP, then hand it off to a state-backed competitors, they don't allow…
That isn't completely true anymore.
"Foreign investors are now allowed to establish wholly foreign-owned enterprises for whole vehicle manufacturing, including special purpose vehicles, new energy vehicles, commercial vehicles and passenger vehicles."
https://www.iflr.com/article/2a647jipe3beiloc6xeyo/primer-ch...
I feel like there is a litany of the internet: "that which can be collected will be." That's been true since the beginning. What continues to surprise me is that people think only "bad guys" do it. This is why we continue to lock down browsers and provide ever narrower permission classes.
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> how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Because we are the West, and China is China. We have different laws and customs.
Why does that mean that a Chinese social media app can capture data unlawfully under GDPR, CCPA or or other regulations?
If that is happening then cases under those legislation would succeed. But those legislation don't somehow magically forbid practices that people on HN don't like.
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Honestly, this type of discussion is seriously irritating, because it implies that TikTok is doing something unique that other apps aren't doing. Just as the article demonstrates, many western countries do the exact same thing that TikTok does, except TikTok seemingly takes it one step further (probably because of shoddy programming). Applying geographic-based arguments to technology is just a bandaid. The problem ne…
TikTok is brought up because it has an insane amount of influence on the culture and identity of a huge swath of people. Do you seriously believe that China, or any country, would not want to leverage such influence to persuade or alter the culture or a potential advisory? We all shit our pants because Russia used Meta, and American company, to influence the 2020 election. Imagine the same amount of data, a more accu…
I just don't understand how we can allow a Chinese social media app in the west, while any non-chinese social media apps aren't allowed there? Same with housing, why can Chinese nationals buy housing here, while I can't do so there?
Money. And I don't just mean the politicians. I mean downright to the pension funds, hedge funds, and retail investor. They are all long China and especially Chinese tech. If you start declaring war on Chinese tech you are going to obliterate a huge amount of money all to protect the privacy that US voters don't care about privacy in the least. So why would they do such a silly thing? National security? Please, the s…
So let me get this straight: If I click a link inside the Instagram app, that for whatever reason takes me to gmail or microsoft or wherever that requires authentication, and I decide to login on that page so I can view the link in question, Meta and TikTok are able to capture my credentials and ingest the data back in to their metrics and analytics pipelines? Is that even f*cking legal?
I mean, this is literally XSS. And it's not just Facebook and Tiktok, unless this is a private API scummy apps can and are (I guarantee) doing this to steal user passwords and bank credentials. Your average person already needs to know that they can't type in their credentials unless the URL says facebook.com, now they also need to check the app is Safari. And you may not even need to enter credentials, a malicious app could just load my-bank.com and extract the cookies or local storage or send API requests.
If true...wow. That's a massive security oversight. But it seems to massive I'm not 100% convinced. Especially because websites are tightly sandboxed from other websites and apps are tightly sandboxed from other apps. Yeah you could in theory re-implement your own web browser in your app which looks and acts like Safari, but in practice Apple technically forbids other web-views, and it's really hard to fully implement a web browser and not make it immediately apparent anyways.