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1. Would A be dealing directly with S, or is A dealing with C which is using S to store A's data.
2. Is S incorporated in the EU?
3. Does C have access to data stored in S, other than data that C itself put there using the APIs that S makes available to all its storage customers?
I'm just writing this because a lot of comments are getting the wrong idea from this and causing some weird mix of hysteria and europhoby. In the grand scheme of things, there is no money lost for Azure and AWS, the potential of the once in a full moon cloud projects from public european institutions wouldn't even amount to something that would be described as pocket chance.
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You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.
I typed my reply on an OS created by Americans, but that's entirely irrelevant. It's not about just installing Linux on a box, plugging in an Ethernet cable and calling it a day. We're talking about cloud providers here. You need to create something on the scale of AWS and Azure if you want to be taken seriously. Hetzner and OVH aren't going to cut it.
It's not? Because that's what most Europeans think.
>> We're talking about cloud providers here.
Ooooooooooooooooooh weeeeeeeeeeeh, now that's fancy.
Maybe if we could get an American over here to help us out, it could work? Are you available? Because we need answers to questions that you can't just google. We need someone who's been there, done that and who has money beyond what any European could ever even imagine. We need a Texan.
Are you a Texan? Or an absolute asshole? Both of those combined seems to fit the profile of a person that could make a change over here.
'Merica, F yeah!
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OK but not wanting our personal records to be arbitrarily sized by the US government is very reasonable. Your government made a law that lets it spy on us... that's your problem.
I don't think it's reasonable that I'm paying more than my share of taxes for the defense capabilities that allows Europe free access to a stable world market and roughly rules based international order that underpins the export economy of Germany in particular. If Europe would fix that, I'd feel a lot worse about the spying.
Of course that means the US will no longer be a global superpower, but the US can freely choose that.
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> non-EU The problem isn't non EU services, it's the US CLOUD act Other countries have legal systems which are considered as offering equivalent protection: > The European Commission has so far recognised Andorra, Argentina, Canada (commercial organisations), Faroe Islands, Guernsey, Israel, Isle of Man, Japan, Jersey, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Switzerland , the United Kingdom under the GDPR and the LED, and Ur…
Uruguay? I wouldn't exactly call them for known being a tech nation... So why does USA fail at this? Or are they just too big and diverse for that sort of stuff? And you can't really expect such nation to succeed... In anything...
And?
> So why does USA fail at this?
Because, and I'm going from memory here, should be Schrems I or Schrems II if you want to dig deeper, in the view of the ECJ (which invalidated a similar recognition for the US) the US doesn't provide a satisfactory way for EU citizens to contest their data being accessed by US government agencies
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Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying
Sorry to be so blunt but every EU competitor sucks ass. So if the EU has it their way, it is us Europeans the ones getting fucked.
Europe is Apple’s third largest market, making $90 billion last year alone. You don’t think other companies will step up for even a tiny percent of that?
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Isn’t this the case with all sovereign countries, though? You can never guarantee that a government won’t demand a company in that country to hand over data, that is what it means to be sovereign.
Generally speaking, we look at the legal system in the country and decide whether it is /legal/ for the state to do such a thing, and whether there are appropriate safeguards to prevent it from doing so. Yes, they could change the law - and at that point it would become illegal for companies in that country to do business in the EU. Usually most countries are smart enough not to damage themselves economically by prev…
They could also just not follow the law
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No? This is the obvious outcome of the US government’s repeated and explicit statement that non-US residents do not have any due process rights and thus no warrant requirements, followed by - when companies tried to compensate for this abuse by creating subsidiaries in the EU - stating that the US government also had access to all subsidiaries data, again with no due process protections. What did the US government th…
True, this is the crux of it If you let all subsidiaries of M/G/A within reach of US courts (including customer data) don't get surprised when other countries treat it as toxic The US gov would never accept this in procurement, so why should other countries? On the case in question, it seems the company changed the tender document to take out some (protection) clauses
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You typed that silly reply on an operating system created by a European. You don't think we can host the shit out of that OS in Europe? I think you're just butt hurt because someone said something bad about the greatest country in the whole world that you know of.
If you're talking about linux an operating system based on unix from bell labs. then it just an operating system created by a European which is based on an operating system created by Americans. without one the other wouldn't exist.